We observed some utterances of SNEA in their website.

So far, they have made many allegations against AIGETOA… Let’s go one by one !!!

1. Worked very hard to scuttle the Time Bound Promotion Policy which ensures functional promotion after every 5 years. They scuttled it because it was negotiated by SNEA. The biggest beneficiaries are BSNL Rects. So, the so called BR saviors backstabbed the BRs – As the then MA they should be ashamed that they surrendered before AIGETOA… and this is ridiculous that the so called mighty association is today blaming others for their failures.

2. AIGETOA worked very hard and made the SDE stagnation period as 12 years from 5 years. Their silence on the issue speaks volumes – The comments are on a draft.. premature assumptions by SNEA has become an habit which speaks volumes about their hurry in concluding things… In fact they are forgetting that Residency Period has once again become 3 years instead of 5 years by them.

3. In 2007, AIGETOA opposed LDCE promotion demanding direct promotion from JTO to DE/AGM, equating with ITS Officers, instead of JTO to SDE promotion (that was their CPSU CH proposal of 2007) – And SNEA conspired to derail this ..they are calling it a Sin to aspire high . Shows their mindset.

4. In 2015, CMD offered 6% SAB contribution in the open session of AIC of SNEA at Jaipur in the presence of all General Secretaries. AIGEOTA opposed it demanding full 12% and finally agreed for 3% in 2016-17. A big loss to all BRs. Who is against BRs, it is AIGETOA – In 2015 AIC of SNEA, CMD assured for 6 percent. SNEA was in power till 2020. In 5 years, they couldn’t implement that. This shows volumes about their seriousness on the issue. And also till today, SNEA is unable to tell us what percentage is yet to be achieved. They forgot this in 2007 when they got 30 percent fitment but forgot benefits of BRs ie Standard Pay Scales and 30 percent SAB..SNEA is the root cause of pendencies of such issues.

5. SNEA demanded E2 and E3 scales from 01.01.2007 during 2nd PRC implementation. AIGETOA scuttled it initially by demanding E2 and E3 from 01.10.2000 itself and later on demanding cascading effect with revision of all other scales by forming a United Forum with some other Assns. Another big loss to all BRs recruited after 2007. Who is against BRs, It is AIGETOA. – The motive of SNEA is very clear after seeing the scales in CPSU proposal. They agreed for E1 in 2014 JTO RRs. Now they are showering Sermons…They were sleeping when other scales from 2nd PRC was being finalized..They became mum when initial two scales were kept Provisional.. AIGETOA is still in court and had kept the issue alive till date by obtaining stay on degradation of RRs and fighting in BSNL also. Can SNEA tell, how many forums they approached for this.

6. If OTP transfer is so transparent, then why more than 200 requests are pending today or rejected? AIGEOTA should accept it as their failure in bringing transparency? – Again just a presumption..one month TA/TP as donation policy is obsolete now and executives are getting transfer without any hassles .. perhaps that is pinching SNEA. Proof of Transparency is that as on date there is waiting for hard tenure

Other achievements of AIGETOA will be contd tomorrow — We will wait for that ..We love the fairy tells of the Lie machine..

In another shameless show of their hatred towards set rules and procedures, the proclaimed SENA is saying that rotational transfer should not be implemented and in earlier letter/write up/meeting they want this gap to be filled up by promoted executives. Means they want that those who are stationed at same places since their birth in this department should not move, while those who are relatively much newer should only be moved out. This shows their prejudiced thought process.

AIGETOA as MA is not for any group but it will stand for transparent policies. The policies which were made in the organisation and were forgotten, we stand for reviving that. We stand for transparency and we will support transparency.

Already through OTP transfer policy, major forte of proclaimed SENA by which they used to terrorize new comers has been broken… Many more to come dear proclaimed SENA.. Many more to come… AIGETOA is determined to remove all the dust from the policies which you have thrown into ashes all these years. You don’t want transparency to prevail in the organisation but we are determined for it.

And which agitation you are talking about (Paper Agitation)… Oh Yes!!! We forgot. You are the postponement association. So in your continuing saga of postponed agitations, u will add this also.

And the most interesting part – You do not consider BSNL Recruits as their own..You are saying that all BSNL Recruits are AIGETOA Members. It should act as an eye opener for all the BSNL Recruits who still vouch for you.

And a small Fact check:

As on 1.8.2020 after 20 years of proclaimed SENA running the affairs in BSNL-

The stagnation in JTO Telecom Grade was 20 years….

The Stagnation in SDE cadre- 17 years (PS- Majority of their batch mates are covered leaving only competitive quota and some others in lurch)

The Stagnation in other streams like Civil, Electrical and Architecture – 20-30 years

As on 1.1.2022, after 17 months of AIGETOA being in majority

The stagnation in JTO Telecom Grade is now hardly 7-8 years except very few, which will be reduced further with our continuous efforts. We assure that very soon Stagnation in SDE cadre and other streams shall also be reduced much below.

The proclaimed SENA wasted precious years of all the Executives making them run after something which was never to come. And when CPSU could have come in 2007, SENA never allowed it to come.

Instead of accepting your guilt and accepting the responsibilities for all the mess which you have created in all these years, you are trying to teach AIGETOA a sermon, which actually is most needed for you.

Let us tell you again,

AIGETOA hai- Jhukega nahi.

We will ensure BSNL HR to be so smooth that executives themselves will never let you come in..

Transparent Transfer Policies, much awaited promotions, Rule 8 streamlining, Rule 9 cases transparency, Draconian clauses which you got put in JTO RRs and made the life of new recruits’ hell has already been resolved. Many more such achievements are to follow, just wait and watch.

AIGETOA is here for constructive work for the inclusive welfare of all executives instead of selective favour like you did… We rest assure you to keep on doing such good works and You continue with your rubbish utterances…

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Flash News: It is learnt that the approval of conducting LICE exam has been sent from Estt cell of BSNL CO to Recruitment cell. The LICE shall be notified shortly. AIGETOA is in touch with Recruitment Cell for notification of the examinations at the earliest.

This issue was being pursued by AIGETOA for quite long. Finally we have been able to succeed in our pursuance for clearing all the roadblocks in the notification of LICE.

Next LDCE exam for promotion to SDE cadre, DPC for other left outs of 2008 batch and promotions from SDE/AO cadre to AGM/CAO cadre is also being pursued. Slowly and steadily, AIGETOA will be to achieve all the objectives set by us for career progression of the executives from all the grade and streams.

Together We Will Achieve Everything

Draft RRs for SDE Telecom and Equivalent cadres has been issued for the comments and suggestion of the association. Draft RR contains 12 years criteria for stagnation beyond the sanctioned strength in line with the restructuring approval of the BSNL Board.

However, we wish to inform that these are draft RRs only and discussion/deliberation on the same with AIGETOA will start. We assure one and all that till the stagnation criteria is properly addressed and brought to the satisfaction level, Association will not allow the RRs to be finalized. This is just a beginning of the acceptance by management that there should be a provision of Time Bound Criteria in the existing RRs. We have to move forward much ahead in this to ensure that the new RRs rewrite a script which treats all equitably and everybody gets a chance to reach higher position with sufficient age profile on their side and to achieve this unparalleled faith and patience is required. We assure one and all that AIGETOA will not fail in its objective to ensure equitable justice for all not like previous history where BSNL Recruits were left behind like orphans.

Click here for letter to AIGETOA

Click here for Draft RR of SDE(T)

Click here for Draft RR of SDE(Arch)

The Supreme Court on Friday delivered the judgment on the issue relating to reservation in promotions. The Centre and States had urged the Hon’ble Supreme Court to settle the confusion regarding the norms for reservation in promotions saying that several promotions/appointments have been stalled due to ambiguities. A Bench of Hon’ble Justices L Nageswara Rao, Sanjiv Khanna and B.R.Gavaihad reserved judgment on October 26, after hearing the matter. As per report, the bench made following pronouncements today:

1. Court cannot lay down any yardstick to determine inadequacy of representation.
2. State is obligated to collect quantifiable data regarding adequacy of representation.
3. Cadre should be unit for collection for quantifiable data for reservation. The collection cannot be with respect to the entire class/class/group, but it should be relatable to Grade/Category of post to which promotion is sought. Cadre should be the unit for collecting quantifiable data. It would be meaningless if collection of data is w.r.t. the entire service.
4. The Nagaraj Judgment of 2006 would have a prospective effect.
5. The conclusion in BK Pavitra (II) approving the collection of data on the basis of groups and not cadres is contrary to the dictum in Jarnail Singh.

With the recognition of ‘cadre’ as the unit for collection of quantifiable data, the court set aside its earlier judgment in the B.K. Pavithra case. 

“As far as B.K. Pavithra case is concerned, we have held that the conclusion of this court approving the collection of data on the basis of groups and not cadres is contrary to the law laid down by the Supreme Court in Nagaraj and Jarnail Singh judgments,” Justice Raopronounced. The court further left it to the State to assess the inadequacy of the representation of SCs and STs for promotional posts by taking into account the relevant factors. 

A review had to be conducted regarding the data for the purpose of determining the inadequacy of representation in promotions, the court ordered. The court left it to the Union government to fix a “reasonable” time for the States to conduct the review.

Flash News: As requested by AIGETOA, BSNLCO is seeking the status of Rule 8 cases from all the circles. The letter for Rule 8 cases wrt JEs has been issued today. The letter with regard to status of Rule 8 cases pertaining to JTOs is also being issued in a day or two.

With this initiative pendency in the rule 8 waiting List is definitely going to be reduced.

It’s time to Change the Thought Process and shed the EGO

As SNEA preferred to part way from the Forum of Executives Association and went ahead ignoring the decisions taken and signed with MoU with AIGETOA. Still, we never uttered anything negative against them in view of the larger cause associated with united struggle. Despite themselves negating the coalition ethics as usual, we were respectful towards their call , but recent updates on their website clearly proves the fact that the political interests stand much ahead of executive fraternity’s need and interests.

Let us have a close check on the difference of stand and the present status.

Time bound Functional Promotions to executives:

The matter which AIGETOA has been demanding from 2007-08 onwards as a contemporary CPSU hierarchy and in fact AIGETOA only has coined this term in BSNL. We in fact were the prime contributors in 2018 also with respect to the finalisation of the CPSU CH proposal and drafted the practical and acceptable solutions, however at the end, these practical suggestions were watered down by some vested interests to keep their ill motives of keeping BSNL Recruits away from promotions. We warned in advance about the inherent lacunae of the proposal and if not cleared , the policy implementation was bound to get stalled after the very first date of implementation. The same has been proved true as neither DoT nor management could move ahead with the implementation of the policy till date. AIGETOA always advocated for refinement of these proposals by making it compliant to DoP&T norms related to Reservation issue, inclusion of E2 as starting pay scale, removal of 12 years clause as residency period, inclusion of internal fast track mechanism etc in the proposal which was totally ignored and negated by the majority association at that time. We always maintained a stand that if these issues are not included, the implementation of the proposal can never occur and maintained the same stand in charter of demands also.

In the recent minutes issued to Joint forum, the non-viability of the implementation of BEPPRR-2018 is clearly and non-ambiguously mentioned by management. AIGETOA stand has been very clear while drafting the charter of demands that Reservation Guidelines, pay scales and internal fast track mechanism, need to be taken care of and provision for following Govt/ DoP&T guidelines on Reservation, protecting the Constitutional rights needs to be incorporated in the policy. It may also be noted that approved draft proposal of BEPPAAR -2018 have the mention that reservation cannot be extended, a point which was never highlighted by SNEA earlier.

Since the management has categorically stated that they can’t implement CPSUCH in its earlier approved form, alternate method proposed by AIGETOA for ensuring the Time bound Promotion was to go ahead with incorporation of the Maximum Stagnation criteria in all the RRs which will take care of the reservation guidelines as well as making the promotion time bound. This will cover all eligible executives promotion by filling up the available vacancies and the remaining persons once the vacancies are filled up being covered through maximum stagnation criteria. It also maintains the sanctity of reservation rules as executives are personally upgraded to the higher position by carrying their existing post in the higher grade.

Management accepted to explore this option of introducing the maximum stagnation criteria in AGM/CAO/Equivalent grade and also agreed to explore the option of reducing the stagnation criteria in SDE/equivalent grade as a part of the RR modification exercise. This exploration of the alternate method was also part of the agreed MoU between AIGETOA and SNEA but SNEA preferred to backtrack on the same. Our Sister Association is not at all ready to accept the alternate method which is more practical and feasible to implement and want to keep running behind the earlier approved proposal which has not moved even an inch forward.

The previous regime has already wasted 3 and half years in running after this CPSU CH mirage and putting everything to a halt and the only sufferer group were the BSNL Recruits and relatively young competitive quota people from the group absorbed from DoT. AIGETOA after assuming the charge has started with practical and acceptable methods and the result is slowly and steadily visible to all. We requested management to explore the options of executing the promotions in a time bound manner in the ambit of existing framework and we have succeeded in convincing the management for the same. We wanted to keep everyone on united platform while this change and future was re-written, however that unity was perhaps not acceptable to out sister association SNEA.

AIGETOA stand is very clear “ A Bird in hand in better than two on the bush “. Hence AIGETOA is always open to explore practical alternative methods and the results is very much in front of all executives: More than 4500 JTO executives got promoted to SDEs in Telecom ,civil, electrical and Architecture grades in just 6 months (reducing the JTO(T) stagnation from 21 years to 8 years barring few executives). This was being stopped in the name of CPSU CH for more than three years and was still tried to be derailed by them. Having accomplished one major milestone, now we have moved on to the next batches and very soon we will accomplish that. We want to remain practical and don’t want to build castle in the air like what our previous regime was doing.

Now we are moving towards executing the promotions in other grades of SDE/AO/DE/AGM/CAO/DGM equivalent and very soon we will achieve that also. We further reassure that nobody will be left behind and we will make all efforts to achieve the promotions for all the eligible ones.

Response from BSNL Management on the charter of demands and if implemented, the impact which it can make on the career of executives:

After discussion on the various demands raised by the forum, management has responded towards the demands as below:

a. Time bound promotions – The proposal of BEPARR-2018 is not feasible due to reservation matter – a categorical and unambiguous statement by management. Management agreed to consider reducing the stagnation period in JTO grade and incorporation of the stagnation criteria in other grade RRs as a part of the RR modification Exercise in consultation with the association.

If this stagnation criteria is implemented in line with what we envisage, the promotions for all existing as well as future batches will become time bound without violating the reservation guidelines. Through stagnation criteria, the existing post is carried forward to next grade through personal upgradation. As the executive carries his own roster position to the higher grade, the representation as per constitutional guidelines remains intact. Hence the post based and time bound promotion goes hand in hand and the sanctity of the constitutional provisions and government guidelines are also maintained.

Now it’s for executives to decide, which one is better – A policy which is more implementable, carries the same advantages as CPSU but is in line with government and DoP&T norms of reservation or a Policy which has not moved an inch forward despite presence of same board and same majority association for almost 2 years and still almost 4 years after approval with new board.

b. Restructuring Roll back – Instead of rolling back management agreed to consider the career progression aspect by agreeing for introduction of maximum stagnation criteria after discussion with association.

c. Implementation of Standard E2 and Standard E3 pay scales for JTO/JAO and SDE/AO Equivalent – The need is well accepted by management and management agreed to aggressively pursue with DoT to ensure E2 for JTO/JAO/Equivalent and E3 for SDE/AO/Equivalent grades. CMD BSNL Firmly agreed to pursue with DoT for early implementation. A positive result is expected in sight as this anomaly will be a big show stopper for BSNL/MTNL merger.

The Sister Association must explain how they propose to take care of the scale part by agreeing on CPSU CH. They have accepted E1 for JTO/JAO in CPSU policy and have also agreed to keep Sr SDE post at E3. If they say that E1 will be replaced by E2 for JTO/JAO/Equivalent and E3 for SDE/AO/Equivalent, are they asking for cascading effect with presence of Senior SDE post at E4 etc which will derail the whole process of resolution of standard pay scale issue for initial two scales. Hence it is quite clear that scale part cannot be resolved if the CPSU CH is implemented in its current form.

It seems our Sister Association once again wants to derail the Pay Scale issue in the name of this CPSU CH proposal. (It is worth mentioning here that they celebrated the victory of JTO scale degradation to E1 through JTO RR-2014 and agreed E1 Scale incorporation in BEPPAR-2018 ). Earlier, they agreed for E1A and E2A instead of E2 and E3 for JTO and SDE grades just to have their pie of securing pension liability from government. They tried to befool BSNL Recruits by telling that they have been able to secure EPF in lieu of this for BSNL Recruits while it is well known fact that EPF is statutory liability and BSNL Could have never avoided it. After this they again dumped the standard scales for JTO/JAO and SDE/AO Equivalent scales and 30 percent SAB at the time of implementation of 2nd PRC.

It was AIGETOA which kept the hopes alive, both through legal means as well as through organisational means. It was AIGETOA which challenged against degradation of scales and got a stay from Ernakulam. It was AIGETOA which won the standard pay scales case for BSNL Recruits at Chandigarh and ensured that benefits of E2 cannot be denied to them. It was AIGETOA which forced management to agree for E2 scales for JTO/JAO Equivalent and it is AIGETOA which has again brought the pay scale issue back to focus not only at BSNL but also at DoT.

If E2 scale is approved, majority of Pay issues will be resolved and the newly recruited and promoted JTOs/JAOs will be immensely benefitted.

We fail to understand why our sister association wants to derail the pay scale issue also in the quest of this non feasible CPSU CH.

d. Internal Fast track promotion & No lateral Entry above JTO/JAO – The need of internal fast track promotion was agreed upon by the management. They even have shown their affirmation to replacement of DR DGM Recruitment also by Internal Fast Track Mechanism by creating few more posts in internal fast track quota for reaching to DGM post.

AIGETOA is pursuing a firm and clear career progression plan for executives which envisages each and every BSNL executive to aspire for higher posts of SAG/HAG levels. If our young batches get the opportunity of becoming DGM on fast track basis, definitely they can reach to GM/CGM level with sufficient age on their side and can also aspire to BoD posts.

But it seems same is not very comfortable for our Sister Association SNEA as they want to continue with the existing MT RRs as requested by their CHQ OB in the forum meeting with management.

e. Regular DGM promotions & relaxations to CAO promotions, No LA/Adhoc etc

Management informed that the complexities involved in the regular promotions at CAO/AGM/DGM level because of pending SLP at Hon SC , the regular promotions can be feasible only after the judgment.

We suggested certain alternative course which can be taken to ensure these promotions and the methods by which an amicable settlement can come within the ambits of the legal restrictions. Management agreed to explore the possibility by seeking the legal opinion possibility for extending promotions in these grades at the earliest. The onetime relaxation for CAO promotion can be checked after such decision/ judgement as Management Committee is empowered to decide on amendments in the policy.

It seems that the same is also not acceptable to our sister association SNEA and the only song which they are singing is BEPPAR-2018 on 01-07-2018 ( Though the tune is changed now) despite knowing fully well that it cannot be implemented in the current form.

f. Settlement of SDE Reversal issue:

The matter will examined for early settlement through out of court discussions.

Perhaps this also was not acceptable to SNEA and that’s why instead of pursuing, they drifted away.

We would like to once again affirm and assure all the executives that we have made much greater inroads on to the career progression plan, pay issues resolution and the 30% sab. We sincerely hope that results of our efforts will be visible to all very soon. We do understand our responsibility and the fact that in case of any deviation from agreed decisions by management, we will immediately react with full vigour.

Claimants may be many but actual work is always done by us – THE AIGETOA and its followers.

The curious case of SNEA deviating from agreed MOU & backdoor works to derail the resolution of Pay scale issue and JTO to SDE DPC

Once SNEA decided to part ways with the Forum of Executives Association, an smearing campaign started by most of their over enthusiastic CHQ OBs and Circle OBs despite of AIGETOA magnanimity in keeping silence and respecting the decision of our sister association. However, seeing the current political stunts and updates on their website, we wish to clarify the position with respect to the MoU also and who breached it.

The understanding was that none of the constituents will meet management independently and all the discussions with management will be done jointly only. However, if need is there to meet individually for some particular issue, it will be done only with information to each side in advance along with the issue to be discussed. The Defined Formal Meetings of the respective Associations with management as per REA rules to continue –

While AIGETOA even cancelled its scheduled Agenda Meeting just for the sake of honouring its commitment of not taking individual meetings, at the same time, the other side was busy in its underground work for derailment of already started JTO to SDE DPC process for the reasons better known to them. SNEA met management without informing other constituents and a complaint was submitted to CMD BSNL by GS SNEA citing that the earlier DPC of July, Ongoing DPC as well as publication of AIEL-II, AIEL-III onwards are illegal. As one constituent of Executive Forum was directly stalling the DPC process, management simply dumped the whole process in the name of examining the complaint. Even a proposal which was being sent to Management committee and which could have covered many executives from LICE-2012 batch also got dropped. The whole effort of AIGETOA to make the left out DPC became doomed down and despite our warnings, their Office Bearers tried to derail the exercise even at the last minute.

Somehow AIGETOA brought the derailed DPC exercise again back on track by countering the allegations with logical justifications, perhaps that was also not digestible for them and their office bearers got on job in last minute by involving even some non-related groups. Despite remaining silent for the sake of unity and greater cause of the resolution of issues, we ensured that ongoing exercise do not suffer, but sadly due to all the above stunts of other association, some executives missed the chances of promotion.

When we requested our sister association to accept the offer of management for addressing the stagnation criteria as alternative path of making promotions time bound, they simply refused. However, since we have already lost many years because of our non-presence during formation of BSNL MS RRs (Which was also done in blatant breach of trust with respect to BSNL Recruits) and we didn’t wanted to let management go scot free while reframing the RRs. We even requested for small deferment so that things could be explored at least but that was also not acceptable to our sister association. Even the anticipated resolution of long pending issue of Pay Scale E2 for JTO/JAO/Equivalent cadre was not enough for them. The introduction of fast track promotions up to DGM grade was also not acceptable to them. They only wanted to continue the organisation action program for one single word – CPSU CH which more or less has now become a matter of EGO for one particular person.

From the minutes of the meeting, it is quite evident that management has firmly conveyed their intent to settle the issues in a positive and amicable manner through discussions. It is also very much possible that by sitting across the table and discussing the things, positive resolution of all the issues could have been brought out. Management also shown their positive intent by completing the ongoing DPC Exercise of JTO to SDE promotions and moving on to the process for next batches but perhaps our sister association SNEA had some other plans in mind.

The two constituents ( AIGETOA & AIBSNLEA) in JF were of the clear opinion that the prudent decision will be to postpone and involve into discussions and if management deviates from its assurances, we will directly launch “Delhi Chalo” movement after waiting for 1-2 months but SNEA was adamant and said neither they will postpone nor they will agree for any change in program.

However, the surprising part is that now program is also changed by SNEA and the call is also postponed. Even more surprising is the fact that instead of mentioning implementation of BEPPAR-2018 wef 1-7-2018 as their demand, they are now highlighting time bound promotion which can be easily taken care of through stagnation criteria as alternatively suggested by AIGETOA and agreed by management also. It seems that SNEA didn’t wanted to pursue the same on united platform for the reasons best known to them.

Hence, we leave this to all for deciding, who back tracked, who went against the call of the forum, who is playing politics and who actually should give the justification for their adamant behaviour and also for the lost 3-4 years in the name of the CPSU.