Updates on Meeting with Director HR on 13.10.2020

Updates on Meeting with Director HR on 13.10.2020

AIP AIGETOA Shri Ravi Shil Verma, Vice President Shri Badri Kumar Mehta and AGS Shri Yogendra Kumar met Director HR on 13.10.2020 and discussed the following issues:

AIEL for promotion to JTO to SDE : We thanked Director HR for the publishing of AIEL upto RY 2008. We requested Director HR to direct the concerned cell for expeditious actions to ensure that promotion orders are issued at the earliest. Director HR assured that his team is working on the promotions and all necessary steps shall be taken to expedite the promotions.

We also requested him for issuance of instructions for starting the preparatory work for further batches. Director HR assured us for the same. The letter calling for eligibility particulars of next batches shall be issued in 1-2 days so that process for filling up the remaining vacancies can also be started without any delay. We also informed Director HR that some over enthusiastic persons are trying to misguide executives to file court cases and henceforth BSNL should take all necessary actions to ensure that unmindful court cases by some executives should not derail the whole process. Director HR assured us that necessary directions shall be issued to circles to ensure that such type of derailment do not occur.

SDE 2007 Reversal issue : The SDE 2007 reversal issue was also discussed in detail. We informed Director HR that the letter issued for reinstatement of reverted SDEs has not addressed the issue in totality. Director HR agreed to our view and said that the issue will be resolved in totality. Another detailed meeting on this issue shall be held with Director HR in presence of PGM Pers. We reassure all affected executives that this issue will be dealt in totality and all the underlying apprehensions in this case shall be taken care of.

SDE to DE promotions and AO to CAO promotions: We requested to initiate discussions with all stake holders and contending parties to arrive at a acceptable solution for all. We apprised Director HR that if this issue is tagged with SLP in Honble Supreme Court, no body will get promotions for many years. We also suggested some legal mechanisms based on our discussions with advocates. Director HR said he is looking for all possible solutions and wants to ensure that SDE to DE Promotions and AO to CAO promotions also happen very soon. We shall be pursuing the issue on day to day basis and keep everybody informed.

LDCE notification : We requested for notification of next LDCEs. We requested for simultaneous notification of examination along with LDCE calender for different vacancy Years. We suggested the legal remedy with regard to this based on discussion with advocates. Director HR assured for an early action on this. We expect notification for LDCE also very soon.

Issue of HQ shift of QA and Inspection Circle to Bangaluru : We submitted our strong objection on the process and requested Director HR for rollback of this decision. We said such decisions which are solely based on whims and fancies of individual officers should not be entertained. We also told that if HQ was to be shifted, why the same was not done earlier when restructuring/merger of Inspection QA took place twice. We also told that presence of testing labs at Bangalore can not be a reason for HQ shift because CGM Level officer is not involved in such testing. Director HR said that decision has been taken based on definite justification and not on wishes of an individual officer. He guided us to have a detailed discussion with Restg Cell on the issue and thereafter meet him again. The discussion on same will continue with Director HR after holding the discussions with GM Restg.

The same team also met PGM Pers also and thanked him for the publishing of AIEL. All the above issues along with preparation of seniority list was discussed. The discussions shall continue next week also.

It has come to our notice that some over enthusiastic executives are trying to scuttle the JTO to SDE DPC process by exploring the legal options. By doing this they will be killing their own cause as we are working for ensuring promotions to all eligible batches and no body should feel himself as left out. It is responsibility of our association to protect the interests of all executives irrespective of batch, mode of recruitment and membership. AIGETOA understands it’s responsibility as representative association and there is no reason for anybody to be worried. We request all executives to not to fall prey to individual aspirations of few persons who were surprisingly silent when unjustified promotions were held in June 2018. Anyways let’s hope that good sense prevails.

AIEL Published

Congratulations !! As assured to AIGETOA, the AIEL has been published. The AIEL upto RY 2008 has been prepared and placed in Intranet for omissions and corrections. There were many hurdles and hurdle creators for the process but finally the truth has won. The court case which was being touted by some as reasons for delay has enabled to take the issue to this level by sorting out the ambiguities in the whole process.

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Now the preparatory process for DPC will start to fill up the available vacancies and AIGETOAs endeavour will be to get this process completed as early as possible. In the meanwhile, we has pursued and convinced HR section for starting the preparatory process for the further batches also. The letter for calling the eligibility particulars for further batches is also being issued.

We are also pursuing for notification of next LDCEs also. We hope for early resolution of the LDCE issue also. We are on work for promotions in other cadres also. AIGETOA also requests all to have patience and not to fall into the trap for those spreading mis-information and confusion. AIGETOA assures that interest of every executive shall be protected no body should feel that they will be left out.

SDE LDCE 2007 reversion Orders Kept in abeyance

Congratulations !!! With the strong and continuous persuasion of AIGETOA, BSNL CO issued reinstatement orders for 39 SDE Grade Executives who were reverted back to the grade of JTO (T) vide order dated 06-09-2019. The order dated 06-09-2019 has now been kept under abeyance.

However, the work is only half done. Still issues are there which needs to be sorted out and AIGETOA team is on job for that.

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Minutes of formal agenda meeting held on 15th Sept between Majority Recognised Representative Association and BSNL Management issued

The formal agenda meeting held between the Majority Recognised Representative Association AIGETOA and BSNL management held on 15th Sep, 2020 under the chairmanship of respected Director(HR), Shri Arvind Vadnerker ji released yesterday. Although the points discussed have been captured in the minutes but the time line discussed has not been elaborated. We are quite hopeful that under the esteem leadership of Shri Arvind Vadnerker ji, Director (HR) we will succeed to remove all bottlenecks in a phased manner as assured by him in the meeting and the new belief will be created.

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Formal Agenda Meeting of AIGETOA held with BSNL Management on 15-09-2020

The formal agenda meeting of the Recognised Representative Association, AIGETOA held with the BSNL Management on 15-09-2020 as per schedule at Conferences Hall, 9th Floor, BSNL Corporate Office, New Delhi. The meeting was held under the chairmanship of Director HR and management side was represented by the PGM Pers, Sr GM Establishment, Sr GM SR, GM Administration, GM Recruitment, DGM Pers, DGM SR and other senior officers. The Association side was represented by Shri Ravi Shil Verma AIP, Shri Wasi Ahmad GS, Shri Badri Kumar Mehta VP, Shri Yogendra Kumar AGS, Shri Vivek Kumar Singh OS.

Sr GM SR welcomed AIGETOA in the first formal meeting as recognised Representative Association and assured all cooperation. The Director HR in his opening remarks welcomed AIGETOA and all participants of the meeting. He assured all cooperation from management to the Recognised Representative Association for betterment of BSNL and entire employees of BSNL. The Director HR emphasised that management is concerned about present status and is very much inclined to improve the status of each executives and resolve the long pending issues of BSNL Executives.

GS AIGETOA Shri Wasi Ahmad in his opening remarks welcomed Director HR and all senior officers of BSNL and emphasised on the need to show the goodwill in terms of firm decisions now instead of words and assurances. He said that since last 20 years, the executives have suffered a lot and now it’s time that management should convert the words into action and end the injustices for ever. He appreciated the concern of the Director HR for the executive fraternity and hoped that now with changed Regime both in management as well as recognised association side, things will be move towards resolution with positive mindset. He underlined the fact that People are still suffering in terms of Promotion, Pay loss and other anomalies even after twenty years of formation of BSNL and AIGETOA has been elected with a great hope from all corners to bring positivity into the existing system. GS AIGETOA also affirmed the firm commitment that BSNL Stands First and Association assures it’s firm support on the issues related to viability of BSNL but at the same time expects that management will take all care of its internal customers i.e. employees of BSNL by resolving the issues in a time-bound manner.

AIP, Shri Ravi Shil Verma in his remarks emphasised about the need for change in perception by management with regard to HR issues. He said that it’s high time that management should understand that HR is also a resource and it requires investment in terms of money to get a proper output associated from the human capital. He conveyed the cooperation of executives with the decisions taken for betterment of BSNL and its employees. He further said that management should also understand the fact that any decision which has an adverse impact on our Pay, Promotion, Pension and Profitability of BSNL shall not be accepted by Association and instead shall be firmly opposed. He said that there is eminence of positive vibes from management side as of now and hoped that same will continue in future also to maintain a best employee and employer relationship. He said association is committed to build a healthy and wealthy BSNL.

Then the meeting started formally as per the agenda submitted by the association and continued from 10:00 Hrs to 15:30 Hrs. All issues were discussed in detail and many firm decisions were arrived in the meeting. The highlights of the decisions and deliberations held in the meeting is as stated below:

Implementation of BSNL REA in true letter and spirit :

Association emphasised that any division/deviation in the name of existence of multiplicity of association should not happen and REA guidelines should be followed in true letter and spirit. These guidelines are very clear on how to deal on policy matters with majority association and management should abide by that. At the same time, Association side also firmly assured that as majority recognised association, AIGETOA will work as representative of all the Executives and not merely as representative of its members only.

JTO TO SDE DPC :

It was informed by PGM Pers that the judgement of review petition has been vetted by senior advocate and management is moving ahead with JTO to SDE DPC without any further delay. The provisional list shall be published soon followed by issuance of promotions after DPC. All things are on track, Association requested for completion of the process in shortest possible time and the same has been agreed to.

SDE 2007 Reversal issue :

The issue was discussed at length and finally management side agreed to resolve the issue immediately without any further delay. The committee has been asked to submit the report immediately.

Pay Loss issues (22820, TTA outsider and pay loss in TTA LICE) and E1 plus five increments to new batches :

Association has been asked to submit a detailed consolidated note on the pay loss issues and on extending E1 plus five increments . Director HR agreed to get the same examined and a committee shall be constituted based on our representation to examine and consider the issue. We shall be submitting the note in next few days.

Seniority Lists of VY 2007-8 onwards :

Input to be taken from senior advocate on the issue and then decision be taken. We have given our submission that under any circumstances, any change in VY based seniority is not acceptable to us as it violates RRs. Management has shown a positive approach and assured that issue will be settled in next few days

Medical Insurance :

we have been asked to submit detailed proposal in this regard which should be in the best interest of employees. Association shall be doing the same.

Decision on next LDCE is to be taken in 15 days, Next DPC process initiation to be considered after the completion of promotion process. AIGETOA also raised the issue of calculation mismatch in Vacancies carried forward to different quota and requested management to re-verify the vacancies in LDCE Quota especially with respect to LDCE 2015, Decision on LDCE for other cadres like CSS is also to be taken in 15 days. DPC of other streams like Civil, Electrical, Architecture to be explored expeditiously

Restructuring and Cadre Review :

Formal discussions with AIGETOA to start on Restg and cadre review and BA structure. It is noted that many except 6 CGMs have not given any observation on the proposed BA structure which means that structure is more or less acceptable by them. So CSs may also discuss with the respective CGMs in this regard and request them to send their feedback to restg cell. We have categorically stated a big No to reduction of posts beyond stipulated guidelines and any dent to promotional avenues in the name of restructuring process.

SDE to DE and AO to CAO promotions :

Things are really complex because of CAT judgement of Chandigarh. We have been asked to explore the options with regard to judgement and submit proposal. We shall be getting in touch with the senior advocates and also all contending groups to arrive at a solution.

Rule 8, Rule 9 and Transfer requests :

Management agreed to our demand and accepted that they will develop a portal for request transfer cases where every aspect will be transparently maintained.

For Rule 8 provisions shall be made in ESS portal and SOP shall be issued to make it transparent. Estt cell to examine our input and coordinate with circles for clearance of rule 8 cases. Non applicability of Rule 8 clause of GATE JTOs to be revisited and clarification shall be issued from CO to end this discrimination.

GATE-JTO Service Agreement Bond Issue :

The issue related to the service agreement bond of GATE-JTO was discussed in length and it was agreed upon by the Establishment Cell to examine and AIGETOA shall be consulted on same.

Discussion on new promotion policy :

Director HR has gone through the proposal submitted by AIGETOA with respect to new promotion policy and appreciated the points. Discussion on same shall be initiated after receipt of input from DoT. SEWA will also be consulted on new promotion policy to ensure and smooth and acceptable policy for all stakeholders.

Change in designation of JTO/JAO to be examined and considered. AIGETOA has been asked to submit proposal in this regard.

Positive discussion on SAB and PRMB. In view PF Financial constraints, it may take some time but discussion ended on positive note and Director HR agreed to revert on the same after discussions with CMD BSNL.

Another important aspects was that there was some confusion with regard to admissibility of BSNLMRS facilities to dependents of deceased BSNL Recruits as many of the families were not getting the medical benefit after untimely death of a BSNL Recruit employee. Management agreed that this is applicable to BSNL Recruits also and a clarification shall be issued to all circles. Discussion on modified promotion policy also to be initiated.

Dear friends, above is just brief outcome of the discussions. Things have ended in good note and some issues which could not be taken due to time constraints shall be taken up in subsequent meetings. AIGETOA once again re-emphasizes it’s commitment for resolution of burning HR issues of all executives groups and none will be left behind. Minutes of this meeting will be issued soon by SR cell. But we need to keep the momentum and pressure on for a best outcome Let’s hope for the best.

Together We have Together We Will…

20 Years of Misrule and Misguidance AIGETOA will end this once for all.

20 Yearsof Misrule and Misguidance AIGETOA will end this once for all Your support will make All India Graduate Engineers & Telecom Officers Association as Majority Association Lie No. 1 of Proclaimed SENA Exposed Go through the below fact File to check who is Pro ITS

One Association who somedays before were accusing AIGETOA for Pro ITS approach are the ones who actually defended them when Secretary DoT repatriated them back to DoT. All the executives are requested to go through the attached letter and decide who is anti and who is pro. The letter is self-explanatory to expose their Lie no. 1 Click here for Letter – http://www.aigetoachq.org/downloads/Resolution%20Union-Associations%202005.pdf

When Government was ready to repatriate ITS, then the so called proclaimed corners agreed to stop this and helped them to be here. This letter is one of the foremost causes that all the BSNL Recruited issues were ignored and the proclaimed SENA continued to find favours.

Till date, by doing such type of compromises and backstabbing, these legacy associations have been derailing the issues of BSNL Recruits and extracting maximum for themselves. It was AIGETOA which created and raised voice of BSNL Recruits against this discrimination. The proclaimed SENA is trying to divide BSNL recruits just for their benefits. Proclaimed SENA’s only Mantra is to Do Everything for their peers and do nothing for BSNL Recruits and finally blame it on AIGETOA.

If they are accepting that AIGETOA is so strong and they are very weak for issues of BSNL Recruits, then also they should simply accept their defeat and leave the issues for AIGETOA. We will resolve all our issues.

All BSNL Recruits are going to teach the proclaimed SENA a lesson for their misdeeds of 20 years by choosing All India Graduate Engineers & Telecom Officers Association as their representative by voting at Number 3.