Meeting of Team AIGETOA consisting of Dy GS Shri Pavan Akhand, AIC Shri Ravi Shil Verma, AGSs Shri Sunil Gautam and Shri Yogendra Kumar with GM Pers on settlement of SDE 2007 reversal issue and status on promotions in AGM grade for PWD candidates:

SDE Reversal Case :

Team AIGETOA reminded GM Pers about the discussion with Director HR wherein Hon’ble Director HR has categorically directed to settle the SDE 2007 reversal issue without any further delay. We firmly told GM Pers that he should realize the agony of the affected candidates and should not delay the action anymore. We requested GM Pers to call for committee Meeting and resolve the issue by next week as these candidates have already faced enough hardships and this mental torture and agony must end now. GM Pers assured that he will do the needful and speak to Hon’ble Director HR in this regard. We also informed GM Pers that all Candidates are open to out of court settlement and legal tangles in various courts will not be any issue provided management takes firm initiative to end the dispute and reinstate the Seniority of these candidates. As far as the current status is concerned, their names were in DPC and seats are kept reserved for them. Team AIGETOA shall be taking this matter further with Director HR early next week.

Promotion in PWD Quota

With regard to promotions in PWD quota, it was informed that action for DPC has been taken in line with the Directions of Hon’ble PCAT and further necessary action shall be taken after getting directions from Hon’ble PCAT in next hearing.

Promotion for all eligible SDEs to AGM & AO to CAO

Earlier with CMD BSNL and Director HR, Team AIGETOA raised the issue of promotions for the all eligible SDEs to AGM grade, AO to CAO promotions and also the left out JTOs for the SDE promotions. It was informed that management remains open to the promotion within the ambit of rules and structure. We told Hon’ble CMD that within the ambit of current structure only, the promotions of all eligible SDEs are possible, the need is to recognise the injustice met out to competitive quota candidates belonging to list 12 and 13. There are enough precedence in the organization both recently as well as earlier which can ensure much awaited promotion to all eligible SDEs to AGM grade.

Promotion of left out JTOs to SDEs

Similarly now it’s high time that promotion to the remaining left out JTOs to SDE Cadre is executed immediately to avoid perpetual losses in their careers. We also requested CMD BSNL for AO to CAO promotions and informed him that now with both sides willing to sort out the issue with consensus amicably, management must not miss the opportunity to ensure Promotions in AO to CAO cadre.

While meeting Director HR also, we raised the same issues. Director HR assured to take our submissions into consideration.

Friends, A lot of apprehensions are going on in the minds of all executives. We firmly and non ambiguously affirm that we will ensure the promotions to all eligible before moving on to the amended MS RRs.

We would like to convey that while we don’t hesitate in applauding the good efforts of our management, in the same manner we don’t hesitate in standing tough and tall against the actions which are contrary to the interests of the fraternity as well as organisation.

We request one and all to remain united and lend their firm support in our endeavors to ensure the best for our executive cadre.

Together we will achieve everything.

Dy GS AIGETOA and AIC today again met chairman of the MS RR committee with respect to correction in eligibility criteria. He immediately directed the section to issue a corrigendum for the draft. Further we also discussed on incorporation of stagnation criteria on which he assured that mechanism is being explored.

The discussions and efforts are paving the way for much awaited promotions into AGM cadre. AIGETOA team comprising of Dy. GS Sh Pavan Akhand and Chairman Sh Ravisheel Verma and AGS Shri Sunil Gautam had marathon discussions and meetings in the last week to clear the stalemate with regard to promotion as well as Seniority issue.

The team (Dy. GS Sh Pavan Akhand and Chairman Sh Ravisheel Verma) met CMD BSNL, Director HR and GM (Pers) yesterday and requested to way forward nod for the promotions. The meeting ended on positive note and CMD BSNL was kind enough to issue firm Directions down the line. We also requested CMD BSNL for initiating the process for the next lot of promotions without any further delay. We also apprised CMD BSNL that with new MS RR, BSNL has finally recognised the need for pushing the deserving ones further up in the career but we highlghted that certain things have been missed out which are needed to incorporated to ensure that a firm and rugged system is in place with equal opportunity to all the deserving ones. CMD BSNL assured that while management has tried it’s best to ensure a merit oriented path for Executives but they are open to further suggestions and all genuine inputs shall be considered. We sought a detailed meeting under the chairmanship of CMD BSNL to present our views. Our AIGETOA Team is studying the MSRR draft and shall be presenting it’s views after haiving a detailed study and inputs from all concerned.

We sincerely hope that the aspirations of senior executives and junior executives who are placed in various cadres and streams will be satisfactorily cleared. Further with regard to ongoing AGM promotions also, we are firm on our path to ensure Promotions for all within the shortest possible time and CMD BSNL has also assured us that once the process takes a start, he is open to discussion on next course of promotions,

We also highlighted that while the thrust of MSRR is on IPMS, the same is not being implemented in a scientific manner and instead targets which are assigned to the executives are unreasonable and practically unachievable most of the time. CMD BSNL recognised our concern and told that he also agrees that IPMS should be a firm and rugged system with reasonable and practical targets and assured that they shall be taking firm actions to ensure the much needed reforms in the system which includes hiring a consultancy firm also.

Later Dy. GS & AIC held discussions with CGM (NTR) PGM(SR), PGM (Est), GM (Pers) and held brief discussions with regard to draft of MS RRs. We told that though many inputs are covered but still certain things have been left out which are needed to be taken care of while amending the RRs. Committee Members asked us to provide our inputs. We told that we shall be reverting after having a detailed study. It is further understood from the discussions that there are some inadvertent errors with respect to the eligibility criteria are there in the draft which will be rectified while finalizing the RRs. We are very sure management will listen to our genuine apprehensions and will take necessary steps to accommodate the same.

Friends, slowly and steadily we are moving forward towards the change which we wanted to introduce in the system. We are aware that many things are still there to be taken care of but with our firm and United approach, we will be able to ensure that all lacuna is plugged off and finally we will succeed in creating a win win situation for all.

Need is to have firm faith and patience.

Together We Can. Together We Have. Together We will.

As per provisions in the constitution of AIGETOA and subsequent discussion, the Central Executive Committee (CEC) Meet cum CWC of AIGETOA of Central Headquarter is hereby notified to be held as per the given schedule.

Date & Time : 25th – 26th Nov’2022 from 10:00 to 18:00 hrs (Fri & Sat).

Venue : Dehradun (Uttarakhand).

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Team AIGETOA lead by Shri Pavan Akhand Deputy GS, Shri Ravi Shil Verma All India Chairman, Shri Sunil Gautam AGS held a meeting with Director HR Shri Arvind Vadnerkar on dated 09.11.2022. Shri S N Gupta, GM (Pers) was also present in the meeting. The following points were discussed in the meeting:

Staff Merger of MTNL issue :

It was categorically informed that any degradation in pay scale will not be accepted by AIGETOA at all and now it’s high time that management should pursue with DoT for clearance of E2 Pay scales for JTO/JAO/Equivalent and E3 Pay scales for SDE/AO/Equivalent. Staff Merger with MTNL cannot happen without addressing this issue and that too in positive manner. Added to pay scale issue, other issues are also there like determination of Inter-Se-Seniority post-merger of staff with BSNL etc. We requested to direct the committee for immediately start the discussion with recognised association of BSNL. Director HR appreciated our concern and told that he will direct the committee members to hold the discussion with AIGETOA.

Initiating the Committee discussions with AIGETOA w.r.t 22820 issue:

We requested Director HR to direct the committee for 22820/- to initiate discussion with AIGETOA which is badly delayed. Director HR assured that he will direct the PGM (Estt) for necessary action on the same.

AGM Promotions for List-8 in Telecom Cadre:

It was informed to Director HR that management has already executed AGM promotions in Electrical Stream and its high time that promotions in AGM cadre for telecom stream should also be executed for List-8 which is litigation free as on date. GM Pers cited legal issues on which we contradicted that there is no such legal hurdle for List-8 and it is only management’s reluctance to take firm decision which is stopping the whole process. We told instead of waiting any further, immediate action should be taken for executing promotions for Telecom wing immediately for these executives who are waiting since 14-20 years for their promotion. Director (HR) assured that he will explore all the possible options to execute the long pending AGM promotions and told us that his priority is to ensure these long pending promotions and he is very hopeful that management will be able to issue the orders in coming days without much delay.

Revising the Seniority List-9 to List-12 based on Rota and Quota as per Directions of Kolkata CAT:

We informed Director (HR) that the DoPT order 13.08.2021 which clearly stipulates that the Rota and Quota are to be executed for all the promotions held between 27.11.2012 to 18.11.2019. We told that lists covering promotions in SDE Telecom cadre held after November 2008 were never under dispute or under litigation and that there was no direction from any court on manner or formulation of seniority for candidates belonging to these lists. We made it very clear that only formula which exists as on date today for fixation of seniority for candidates belonging to List 9 and onwards is Rota and Quota based upon the directions of DoP&T, DoT, Ministry of Legal Affairs and Hon’ble CAT Kolkata Judgment which has upheld the applicability of DoP&T guidelines in case of candidates belonging to the list 9 and onwards.

SDE reversal issue for LDCE 2007 batch:

It was categorically informed that this issue has been pending since very long and management should settle it now as one time measure. Director (HR) assured for an early and expeditious settlement of the issue.

SDE RR amendment notification:

It was informed by Director (HR) that DoT has raised some issues in amendment related to stagnation criteria which is causing some delay. After the meeting of Director HR, AIGETOA Team immediately met Member (Services) and explained him about all the nitti-gritties related to SDE RR amendment proposal.

Discussion on amendment of MS RRs:

We expressed our serious concern on non-finalisation of revised MS RR containing the provisions of Fast Track Promotions, Scrapping of MT and DR DGM RRs, and Introduction of Stagnation Criteria for promotion to AGM grade. We told that it was unfortunate that despite repeated missing of deadline for discussions, management has yet not initiated the discussion with recognised association despite the fact that 2-3 meetings of the committee have already been held. Director HR assured that he will direct committee members to start discussion with association immediately. We expect that discussions shall be initiated very soon. After the meeting with Director (HR), Team went to meet Shri R.K. Goyal, the senior most committee member and apprised him of our concerns. He also assured that discussion with association shall be initiated soon. He also informed that DOT has raised some objection on Stagnation Criteria for SDE RR amendment.

AO to CAO promotions:

We informed Director (HR) that the pending litigation in CAO promotions can be settled with discussion amongst the applicants and management and management should not miss this opportunity for settling the dispute and executing the AO to CAO promotions immediately. We also requested for completing the preparatory exercise immediately for them.

Issuance of Hard Tenure Declaration for Uttarakhand and Soft Tenure for Few SSAs of Karnataka:

We informed Director HR that despite many a times discussion on the issue, instructions have not been issued for the same. It was assured that orders in this regard shall be issued very soon and directed GM (Pers) to ensure the issuance without any further delay.

Processing of OTP cases:

We said there was inordinate delay in processing of the cases and requested GM (Pers) to issue the same without any further delay. We requested for issuance of pending request of CHQ OBs also. Director HR and GM (Pers) assured for an expeditious action in this regard.

Holding of Agenda Meeting with AIGETOA:

We requested for allocating the time slot for holding the formal agenda meeting of management with AIGETOA. Director HR told us to submit the agenda points and assured us that he will direct PGM (SR) for holding the agenda meeting in this month itself.

Few issues could not be taken up due to paucity of time and we shall be meeting Director HR again to discuss them.

AIGETOA team comprising of Shri D K Sahoo (VP CHQ), Shri Ashok Acharya (Chairman Odisha Circle), Shri P K Mohanty (CP Odisha) and Shri Dhiren Parida (CS Odisha) met and submitted a memorandum comprising LONG PENDING HR ISSUES IN BSNL to Hon’ble MOC Shri Ashwini Vaishnaw ji at Bhubaneswar on 16th October’ 22 during his visit to BSNL Bhawan for review of 4G Saturation project. AIGETOA team requested for his kind intervention for giving suitable instruction to BSNL for resolution of HR issues. Hon’ble MoC went through the memorandum and recalled the meeting during July agitation when team AIGETOA apprised him that no appreciable progress has taken place despite his firm assurances on HR issues.

AIGETOA Team, requested Honorable MoC for immediate approval of long due Std pay scale E2 for JTO/JAO cadre & E3 for SDE /AO cadre, which is pending at DOT for a long period.

MOC has assured AIGETOA team to look into the matter with positive approach and assured expeditious resolution.

AIGETOA Team also aprised him, about his assurance during recent Delhi agitation period, for scrapping of MT process started by BSNL and to start internal fast track mechanism and apprised that till date there is no progress on scrapping of MT RRs as well as introduction of fast track promotion policy in BSNL.

We aprised Hon’ble MOC that, BSNL is having thousands of Graduate engineers and Finance Professionals having Best qualification and experience. BSNL should devise fast track mechanism to promote these professionally qualified executives to manage BSNL at middle level and higher management level.

Hon’ble MoC has informed that, he has already intimated to BSNL Management to initiate process for fast track promotion and stop present form of MT recruitment. It will be pertinent to mention that during July Meeting also, Honble MoC was in affirmation with our view that there should not be any jumping of cadre and lateral entry of freshers at higher level.

Team also requested Hon’ble MoC for promotion in SDE to AGM and AO to CAO cadre and to issue necessary instructions to BSNL Management to increase of SAB quantum immediately..

Hon’ble MoC informed that, Govt has given 1.64 Lakh crore pkg to BSNL, Govt also expect revival of BSNL and appealed the employees of BSNL to work Dedicatedly for revival of BSNL, and assured that, all the HR issues will be given its due consideration with positive approach.

AIGETOA Team emphasised its firm support for the endeavours taken by government for the betterment of BSNL and on request Honorable MoC agreed for a review meeting at New Delhi.

During the review meeting of progress of 4G saturation project, he discussed progress with individual BA/OA Heads and instructed to adhere to the time lines and ensure direct involvement of BA Heads into operational issues and project execution.

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The Annual General Meeting of AIGETOA conducted in a grand manner at Hotel Grand Shobha, New Delhi from 24.09.2022 to 25.09.2022. Around 125 delegates from different parts of India participated in the Annual General Meeting (AGM).

The day one was inaugurated by All India President Sh Veerbhadra Rao & GS Sh Wasi Ahmad by lighting the Lamp, hosting of AIGETOA flag followed by opening Prayer “Itni Shakti ham-e-dena data”.

The Meeting was presided over by the All India Chairman Sh Ravi Shil Verma, All India President CHQ Sh Veerbhadra Rao and all mandatory provisions of the association for the financial year 2021-22 were taken up for discussion and approval of the House. After detailed discussion, Annual Working Report, and Financial Report of the financial year 2021-22 of the association was passed by the house unanimously.

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Team AIGETOA comprising of Shri Ravi Shil Verma AIC, Shri Pavan Akhand AGS-1, Shri Vivek Kumar Singh AGS-2, Shri Yogendra Kumar AGS-6 and Shri Wasi Ahmad GS held meeting with GM Pers and his team and had a detailed deliberation on the implementation of recent order of Hon’ble CAT Kolkata, Issuance of SDE to AGM Promotion, MS RR, Declaration of some stations of Uttarakhand as Hard Tenure, Declaration of some stations of Karnataka as Soft Tenure, Release of new GATE JTOS from J&K and other tenure stations, Transfer & Posting.

We extend out thank to GM Pers for holding the meeting and listen the arguments of the association with open mind. Association side apprised all details related to fixation of seniority of SDE from vacancy year 2006-07 onwards and the injustice meted out to LDCE Qualified SDEs with all facts and figures supported by the documents. A detailed document of 300 pages was submitted to him along with updating the sequence of events from the beginning including submission of legal opinion by the Retd Justice of the Hon’ble Supreme Court by the association and assurance of management on account of the direction by the Hon’ble Court.

We apprised that without going into the details of Court Case, the Association is of the firm view that the direction given by Kolkata Bench of Hon’ble CAT for amendment of SDE Seniority List 9 by incorporating SDETs promoted through both modes i.e. SQ and CQ for the vacancy year 2006-07 and publishing of seniority from the lis-9 to list-13 afresh in the light of the DoPT OM Dated 13.08.2021 should be issued and accordingly an speaking order may also be issued. Arguments and counter arguments were exchanged between two sides and the association insisted to implement the DoPT OM dated 13.08.2021 in true sense. Finally, it was agreed by the GM Pers that the matter will be re-examined and discussed at higher level also. We emphasize that management has got an opportunity to undo the injustice meted out to the LDCE qualified SDEs of 2006-07 onwards and this shouldn’t be allowed to slip from the hand.

On SDE to AGM Promotion, it was firmly told by that the Kolkata bench order has not touched the SDE seniority list 8 and only speaks about the revision on SDE Seniority list 9 to list 13 on the basis of DoPT OM dated 13.08.2021. Although the language of the order restraining for issuance of SDE to AGM Promotion is not clear but if read in totality, it is limited to only list 9 to list 13 i.e. the Promotion of the SDEs from list 9 to list 13 should be carried out after revision of these list in the light of DoPT OM 13.08.2021 only. Hence the Hon’ble Court at Kolkata has not restrained the SDE to AGM Promotion of SDE Seniority List 8 and it can be released once cleared by the Jabalpur Bench.

MS RR revision which incorporates stagnation clause for SDE to AGM and Fast Track Mechanism for AGM/DGM grades is in process of final discussion at the highest level and the revised draft of MS RR will be shared once the final meeting takes place at the of CMD BSNL.

The matter of conversion of soft tenure of Almora, Srinagar(Gwl) & New Tehri OAs of Uttrakhand Circle to Two Year Hard Tenure Stations was discussed in detailed and we reminded about earlier submission as well as CGM Uttarakhand recommendation. The matter of declaring five OAs of Karnataka viz. Madikeri, Karwar, Bidar, Chickmagalur & Shimoga as soft tenure stations was also discussed and hardship faced by the Circle for shortage of officers was discussed. GM Pers appraised that both the matter have been discussed with the Director HR and a final decision has to be taken. We requested to expedite the decision considering the situation of these Circles.

The matter of release GATE JTOS under Rule-8 from J&K Circle and NE Circles were also discussed. We apprised that at one side many GATE JTOs are waiting to return to their HOME STATE after completion of five years in these Circles and other side many SDES are waiting for their hard tenure posting at these locations in want of vacancies. As per restructuring, JTO and SDE are interchangeable and so a mechanism can be framed to release the GATE JTOs on Rule-8 for their home Circle after completing five years of service and equal numbers of SDEs can be posted from the waiting list to fill the gap. It will serve the purpose of both sides and address the issue in best possible way. We apprise that one meeting with PGM Establishment has already been done by the association on the subject. GM Pers agrees to look into the possibilities and examine the matter in consultation with the PGM Establishment.

The matter of retention, modification and OTP Transfer Cases also discussed in the meeting and cases handed over also.

The meeting ended on a positive note.

The Annual General Meet (AGM) of AIGETOA CHQ is notified to held on 24th & 25th Sept 2022 as per the provisions of the constitution. The annual general meet of the association will be conducted at Delhi-NCR. All Collegium Members are requested to attend the meeting. The details for the meeting are as below :

Schedule of Annual General Meeting:

Date and Time of the meeting : 24th to 25th Sept 2022 from 10:00 to 21:00 Hrs.

Place : Delhi-NCR.

Venue of meeting : Exact Venue will be informed later.

Discussion and Deliberation : 24th to 25th Sept 2022 (Sat & Sun).

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Today on 26.08.2022, Team AIGETOA under the leadership of General Secretary, Shri Wasi Ahmad had a detailed meeting with Member (Services), DoT at Sanchar Bhawan, New Delhi and had elaborate discussions on the Standard Pay Scale, E2 and E3. Members of the Standard Pay Scale Committee Shri Ravi Shil Verma AIC, Shri Vivek Kumar Singh AGS and Shri Sunil Gautam AGS were part of the meeting and deliberated the matter in detail. Shri Devendra Saini CS-MP and Shri Vinit Singh CFS-MP were also present in the meeting.

First, Team AIGETOA welcomed Member Services on his new assignment and presented flower bouquet and shawl to him. Member Services praised the association for its contribution and assured all possible help in Standard Pay Scale E2-E3 as well as any other legitimate issues if required his intervention.

Team AIGETOA submitted a letter to the Hon’ble Member Services on the matter and apprised all facts on the Standard Pay Scale E2-E3 in detail including its previous aspects right from 2009 onwards and various communications held between BSNL, DoT and DPE in this regard. It was told to him that BSNL has asked replacement of E1A with E2 for JTO/JAO equivalent grades and E2A with E3 for SDE/AO equivalent grades as DPE denied the continuance of intermediary scales E1A and E2A on various occasions as intimated by DoT vide letter number 61-02/2014-SU dated 24.01.2011 of Section Officer(SU), DoT, New Delhi and subsequently. It was further apprised to him that BSNL has categorically denied any cascading of other scales and CMD BSNL through his DO letter dated 01.05.2017 has further explained this aspect attached with all justification.

Member Services stated the point of view of DoT officials on the standard pay scale and some queries, which was very well countered by our Team and further nitty-gritty’s of the issue was also explained to him. Member Services was kind enough and assured for his intervention and told us that another meeting will be held on the issue on which his team will be there as well as he will call AIGETOA Team also so that well informed deliberation can take place. Member Services told that the issue of standard pay scale is very genuine issue and assured of his intervention to take the issue towards resolution. The steps of Food Corporation, Govt of India of India was also apprised to him that how FCI resolved this non standard pay scale issue by adopting next higher standard pay scale and the order copy was also shared.

Member Services informed during the meeting that he has earlier initiated the pension revision of the retired employees and the proposal in process to be sent to the DoPPW, Govt of India for further consideration. He assured that he will look into the issue of pay scale equally and try to ensure that it should reach positive conclusion. Our Team will be continuing the dialogue process and follow up the issue of Standard Pay Scale E2-E3 with the Member Services for approval by the DoT. We are hopeful that his intervention will be very useful to break the deadlock on the matter of E2-E3 Scale approval by the DoT.

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