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Demand of AIGETOA w.r.t. career progression of executives for which management was agreed but denied by some executive associations
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Posted On : 21 October 2009 |
Category : Administration |
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Posted By : R P Shahu, JTO Sidhi |
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SIDHI, SIDHI |
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dr frnds, one possibility that other unions are not interested in this Shahu's proposal is their local interest i.e. Nokari ghar ke pass karani hai. post change means place change. so they want only money not post. so transfer policy must be followed strictly so this ghar ka funda hi khatm ho jaye. |
SDECCPA, SDE |
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It can be seen from the trend that in the operators environment the role of engineers is getting compact day by day. Some of the flourishing operators in India have outsourced their whole O&M to their vendors itself. Airtel was the first, followed by Vodaphone and now Idea is also expected. The BSNL is also moving slowly and steadily in that direction with the help of AMC or outsourcing. It is said that with penetration of more and more outsourcing/AMC in our network we will one day find ourselves into position where the show can run even without us. That is dependability of system on us is getting detached day by day. The evolution of NMS, CDR billing, zonal centers, regional centers etc are the steps in the direction of isolating the manpower and systems. So, ultimately everything will be done by the vendor, you or me have to just manage. The question arises is how many managers will be needed in future? Someone answer to this was, only few and they will be ITS and MT. Issues don’t take birth but they are given birth. There are certain objectives, which are above the needs and emotions of people. For me those who getting retired in the near future are really lucky but what is stored in future for the middle age executives (even young are also lucky, still they have time to choose) is an unanswered question by the management. Many people have attained sufficient wealth over the years and this factor makes their situation a little bit safe in comparison with those who feed their family solely through BSNL. So, the proposal raised here is not only about the career aspirations of executives, in fact it is actually about the future of many families. A system, which encourages the performance, actually is striving for performance. It will be this performance of employees only that is going to ensure the survival and thus aspirations of all. |
manoj_tomar, JTO |
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Dear Friends, This Hindi poem written by Maithili Sharan Gupt is really inspirable... Kuch kaam karo, Kuch kaam karo Jag mein rah kar kuch naam karo!! Yeh janma hua kis arth aho Samjho jismein yeh vyartha na ho Kuch to upyukta karo tan ko Nar ho naa nirash karo man ko!! Sambhlo ki suyog naa jaye chala Kab vyartha hua sadupaay bhala Samjho jag ko na nira sapna Path aap prashast karo apna Akhileshwar hai avlamban ko Nar ho naa nirash karo man ko!! Jab prapta tumhein sab tatwa yahan Phir ja sakta hai satwa kahan Tum swatwa sudha ras paan karo Uthke amaratva vidhaan karo Davroop raho bhav kaanan ko Nar ho na nirash karo man ko!! Nij gaurav ka nit gyan rahe Hum bhi kuch hain ye dhyaan rahe Sab jaye abhi par maan rahe Marnottar gunjit gaan rahe Kuch ho na tajo nij saadhan ko Nar ho na nirash karo man ko!! Jai Ho BSNL.... |
Ramesh Prasad, SDE |
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Very nice proposal. forget about the person & association. if all executive will think selfishly about the give proposal, i think every one will find that this is benificial not only to your career but also to our organisation. so all the senior executive must give their veiw without hesitation. Do not think that this proposal is given by AIGETOA. |
Prakash Shankar, JTO / ETR |
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Dear Tomar u r practical & logical....let us evaluate qualification & atleast 4 years performance..... |
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Karanth, DE(NS) BGTD |
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A GE, if a non-performer doesn't deserve any sympathy on the basis of his qualification. I have seen many GE (BSNL+DOT+ITS) who are non-performers. Thus, it can be taken as that performance is not restricted exclusively to engineers. BUT if an arts or a science graduate or an under graduate is able to perform better than the engineers in the new tech areas it is most welcome. Remember that for the success of any organization you will have to have a flat hierarchy in HR. There, you find the necessity for cluster system. The advantage of this type of system will be that effective communication will be there in the organization. The BSNL management with the introduction of Group Performance management System has taken the first step. The incentives here are monetary and remember the experience has shown that people are motivated not because of money alone. The only thing is that all the management guru’s who claim themselves to have completed their MBA’s and having years of experience in telecom should sit together and bring something that can be termed as true HR in BSNL. It is the need of hour else when people will be studying the failure of BSNL their names will come first. Management guru Tom Peter has gone so far as to advise, “ Get innovative or Get Dead”. |
manoj_tomar, JTO |
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The proposal seems to be the only remedy for all the problems confronting BSNL these days & should be implemented without any delay.The real painkiller for all the pains of BSNL executives. Keep it up!!!! |
RAJESH NAYYER, JTO(DTAX),MEHSANA |
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Balachandran sir agreed exceptions are every where but we have to take a generalized approach. A GE will any time be more efficient than its underqualified colleagues;obviously there will be some exception. |
Mozahir, JTO(Project) |
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Thank you Mr.R.V.Madhu. But what ever be the reason I can not agree with a proposal that is discriminating executives based on educational qualification. Your words "that people with higher qualification will have higher efficiency" is totally unacceptable. There will be many many examples for the reverse. During the time of Europians there was discrimination based on colour and it was defeated by great leaders like Gandhiji and Nelson Mandela. Then there was discrimination based on caste which also was defeated by Sree Narayana Guru and others. Now a section is demanding discrimination based on educational qualification. Whatever be the reason I will never agree with a proposal that will ultimately lead to a division in the executive cadre. Hence I once again suggest, to implement functional promotion based on effeciency only. |
Balachandran.A.R., SDOT |
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It is one of the best plan suggested by GS, AIGETOA Sh RP Sahoo, to overcome the present on going various anamolies created in HR policy of BSNL due to different type of recruitment procedure adopted time to time in a sprit of short sightedness motivated with some individual influence on HR policies rather to the organisation as a whole. It would end the dissatisfaction attitude of executive due to bad HR policies in present scenario. Bad HR policy is the main cause of BSNL down fall day by day. It is most acceptable idea to most of the executives in BSNL and would bring BSNL back to track from present worst condition. Management must have appreciated such practical and most appropriate suggestion on HR policies. |
PRITAM SINGH, SDE |
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By reading overwhelming response of all executive irrespective of any associations. It’s very true we all are come together & makes it unanimous decision to shape up permanent HR POLICY & Our Top MGT also willing this. Now it's time to spread happiness among all executives & think only viability of BSNL w.r .t future carrier guaranteed to all employees I mean equal opportunity to all . |
Ramesh Prasad, SDE |
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Karanth Sir, regardless of what is happening in some isolated places, the mindset in general of the people in organisation has to change. There is an un-written rule (I don't know whether it is actually written somewhere) that JTOs can't issue Inspection Certificates (ICs) issued after completion of test by BSNL QA. I have seen one or two CGM QAs itself questioning this logic. But I have also seen some of our account officers refusing the payment to vendors becuase documents are not signed by an officer of the rank of SDE at least! Similarly there is a rule in QA that JTOs cant address letters directly to Vendors/Manufactures. Anyway I never complained regarding all these things, just becuase I realised it gives me freedom to do anything without accountability and responsibility! Regarding promotion, sie let there not be a direct promotion from TTA to SDE. We are also not seeking direct promotion from JTO to DE (by this MT). Fast track promotions are welcome, but in anyway not in current format. |
MADHU.R.V, JTO |
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Well.....there is already BSNL instruction for JTO's to work independently & may report to DE directly....We must also encourage fast track promotions to the really deserving JTO's & TTA's to the cadre of SDE... |
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Karanth, DE(NS) BGTD |
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Its good and ever seen in Bsnl like this proposal.All unions come together and achive the common goal of PSU structure.Leave the Ego's and Join hands together. |
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Shankar, SDE VAS |
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Balachandran Sir, SDOT, Kannur SSA, Kerala Circle, It is really a pleasure to have seen you here in this thread. Thank you very much. As I just started reading your post I had a feeling that you are being a socialist, but as I read further I got to understand that you are being thoroughly professional! Congrats.
What you suggested should be the ideal one in any case. But any attempt to measure efficiency will be successful only if the higher officer knows the nitty-gritty of the management and measurement methodology for efficiency. To put other way the performance measurement has the greater risk of people under an unsuccessful manager will be always suffering. So in order to avoid such a situation only, weightage to educational qualification is given. Thus it assumes that people with higher qualification will have higher efficiency and gives them a cushion even if they are posted under an unsuccessful manager. It is yet to be known how 50% marks for performance can be practically obtained and whether it will be actually evaluating performance objectively. In such a circumstance giving 100% marks for performance is suicidal. I believe in BSNL your suggestion is not practical at present. However if it is practical it is most welcome.
As technology advances skill required changes. So organization has to always promote skill up gradation and it has to always give preference to those people with higher skills. So preference to a higher educational qualification which organization requires is always good.
Any way if your demand is that people who had entered DoT in yester years with educational qualification that is prescribed for outsiders at that time be given the same mark as those people who entered in BSNL now, with qualification that is required for outsiders, then I think it can be thought off.
Anyway, it is really pleasure to see that you don’t oppose the concept. |
MADHU.R.V, JTO |
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It is many fold of ever received response on any topic in the DB. It is great to surprise that no comment is against the proposal submitted by AIGETOA w.r.t. career progression of executives for which honourable CMD was also agreed but some unabsorbed ITS officers in the BSNL management and some association leaders did not agree with the reason best known to them. Offcourse some question has been raised in DB like: what about reservation system?, what about transparency in the performance measuring? AIGETOA has already suggested BSNL management in our earlier meetings about various issues in implementation of the proposed career progression. Regarding reservation system BSNL management can relax 5 to 10 marks in benchmark as is done in LDCE; regarding performance measuring we have already presented full transparent system as other PSUs are following. Even we have suggested BSNL management to give additional 5 to 10 marks to those executives who are working in the hard tenure stations which will not only solve the problem of staffing in these stations but also minimise the corruption in transfer and posting. BSNL management should stop thinking executives as bounded personal labour and imposing policies of their whims and fancies but they must recognise the views of executives as we are real stack holder of this company. All executives irrespective of the association are requested to post their independent comment on the said topic which will be eye opener to BSNL management. |
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Shahu, JTO Sidhi |
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Dear Balachandran.A.R. sir, Qualification does definitely matter as for as quality and efficiency of work is concern exactly as experience that’s why we have given equal weightage for both. As all executives having different length of experience can not be given equal marks, similarly all the executives having different qualification should not be given equal marks. In technology oriented company like BSNL people should be motivated to acquire some additional qualification to learn the basic principle and terminology of the technology advancement without compromising the performance. This proposed policy will definitely fulfil the motto. Even all the PSUs exponser their executives for higher qualification. |
S.K.Gupta, JTO PCM, Arera Exchange, Bhopa |
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balachandaran sir we have proposed promotion upto DGM level irrespective of qualifiaction and equal opportunities have been given to all the sections. more over its not the final draft. if others agree then their concerns can also be included. but at least othets should agree to this line of action. if they talk AIGETOA will surely include their genuie demands in its plan |
Mohammad Akhtar, JTO/BB |
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Please read in hindi" Bhais( Buffalo) ke Age ( in front )bin bajay bhais khadi PAGURAY" |
K.K.KURREY, JTO(PLANNING) |
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As AIGETOA is an assocation of Graduate Engineers, the proposal is OK for them. But what about others? In my opinion any action to divide executives on the basis qualification should be opposed. Whatever be the qualification, after getting posted as an executive, all executives are executives with the nature of duty being one and the same and all of them should be treated alike. There should not be a descrimination based on qualification. Qualification is for recruitment only. It is a very good idea that, instead of financal upgradation, functional promotion is to be implemented and I fully support it. The name of the association who is opposing this idea should be exposed. But the criteria for functional promotion should be effeciency and service only and not qualification. For measuring effeciency, we can take the BBS Card and ACR as base. We can have many examples of highly effecient executives who are less qualified. As there is already a financial upgradation, BSNL will not have any financial loss and as such this can be implemented very easily. But as stated by me earlier the JTOs should be given more responsibilities and the nature of their duties should not be that of DOT JEs and they should report directly to DEs and not to SDEs. |
Balachandran.A.R., SDOT |
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I regularly participate in DB but i have never seen such an overwhelming response in any thread.. first time i have not seen any voices against the proposal in DB. even most bitter critics of AIGETOA are silent.mano ya mano but AIGETOA has won hearts of many of our opposition memebers also bu its all inclusive growth formula. AIGETOA has shut mouths of all its critics.. |
Mohammad Akhtar, JTO/BB |
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LDCEs(JTO to SDE) will eat the share of Hard Working Executives, MTs will eat the share of LDCEs, DGMs will eat the share of MTs, by the time Management will frame another RR and they will eat the share of DGMs and the process will continue till some RR eats the whole BSNL and the ITS(unabsorbed) will return safe to DOT. |
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KUMAR M L, AD |
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Excellent propasal.Fight for PSU structure. |
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Shankar, SDE VAS |
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I think Other Association Members are hesitating to participate in this hot Discussion but every members from other association wants this HOT CAKE served in front of them. I also think 100% Executives are NOT participating in this DB its Very Important for all the Executives to participate in this Discussion. CAN WE HAVE POLL ON INTRANET FOR THIS TOPIC ??? 100 % VOTING SHOULD BE COMPULSORY AMONG ALL EXECUTIVES. |
SACHIN SOLANKI, JTO |
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I think it is history in DB to get such huge response. We need to keep this thread alive so that even many responses can be heared. |
SHILOHU RAO, GEJTO BD-II |
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Exill. Proposal |
Sohan Lal Verma, JTO |
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Considering this as a sample survey, which something like exit poll does in regular elections which normally predict the correct results and projects the real mood of the elctorate, management should also take note of this discussion and should start things in postive directions, sir!!! please give us the zeal to work and perform better, please give us the will to work and perform better. and for our seniors, sir please come and share your view instead of keeping a count on the huge no of responses tp this DB post by Mr. Sahu. |
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Shil Verma, AD |
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excellent praposal mgmt should think about it if they can? exams at every level does not run a company in a healthy manner,give a proper HR and see the results in a +ve side |
Shailendra Surjan, JTO MSC ATX BHOPAL |
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summary is that PSU culture must be implemented in BSNL for survival of BSNL |
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Pathak, SDE OPN CO Bhopal |
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Excellent proposal. |
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Rajendraprasad, JTO |
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read as "make the BSNL free from learning institute". |
Begari Tirumali, GE JTO (IT), WB CIrcle |
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It’s great and excellent proposal for all the Executives. Leave all the egos and come forward with this proposal to make the BSNL from learning institute. |
Begari Tirumali, GE JTO
(IT), WB CIrcle |
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Now it is time for the gear shift from 1st to 2nd. At 5th gear the speed should exceed 1000 /day |
HARI KUMAR M L, AD |
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It should be implement.... but it will not implement.... excellent effort by Sahu ji... |
Vivek Tiwari, SDE |
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Good proposal |
V.RAMESHWARA CHARY, JTO |
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excellent, if it can be implemented! |
vikas verma, SDE |
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I request all members and leaders of associations…… please go through the proposal and have a discussion. This is the right time to think and act. |
M Satyavardhanarao, JTO |
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Wel said Mohammad Akhtar, JTO/BB We must be united ( all executives) to save BSNL as it doesn’t belong to one catagory,what practices mgmt is following will DARKEN FUTURE OF ALL EMPLOYEES IRRESPECTIVE OF COLOR.WE SHOULD NOT LEAVE BUT PRESSURISE MGMT FROM ALL POSSIBLE CORNERS ULTIL WE GET success. FUTURE IS WAITING FOR US. |
Deepak Kumar Sahoo, JTO/WA-I |
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management is well our of strength and level of determination of AIGETOA thats why they are declaring exmas like LDC/MT/DGM/2005 batch issue just to engage people on other fronts and weaken movement of AIGETOA against corruption and dictatorship. any one with little knowledge of psychology can understand managements fear and their desperate acts. and friends remember one thing. "we often give up when we are very close to our destination". i think we need to give it a final push with all round pressure ie from judiciary, polity, media and our own unions |
Mohammad Akhtar, JTO/BB |
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As previously posted by me,I again request our seniour & ITS officers to post their views & comment in this regard.It will be very much helpfull. |
PAWAN KISHORE, J.T.O. (CMTS) |
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The huge responce of this idea itself says that majority of executives like this proposal,so the same may be presented before the management.The ego of other union leaders should not come in between this proposal & if the other leaders want the credit to implement this in BSNL,we have NO PROBLEM in giving the crdit to them,But for the sake of BSNL & its executive,all these outside recruitment & conduct of so many exams should be immediately stopped & this proposal (with modification if any someone wants) should be implemented,otherwise the present setup in which management wants to go will give nothing but nothing SELF-DISTRUCTION OF BSNL.So for collective gain of all executive,this proposal should be adopted by BSNL. |
PAWAN KISHORE, J.T.O. (CMTS) |
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Excellent proposal |
Mohinder singh, JTO |
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After seeing the big response to this thread, I am sure BSNL Management will call AIGETOA for discussion. One main item in the meeting would be ‘How to measure the performance of an executive’. So be prepared. |
HARI KUMAR M L, AD |
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EXCELLENT PROPOSAL.. |
prashant khairkar,
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I am surprised to see how our seniors are refrainig to comment on such a excellent proposal.I contacted many people from all section of employees & majority is wanting time bound functional promotion instead of mercy offred by the management. I believe that changes are the essence of the life..If we can collectively bring this revolution in company, we can surely take this company to the new heights in greatest competition too.. |
rupmala priyadarshi,
SDE |
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what an idea sirji(sahooji),such a huge response the topic.The topic itself shows how imortance it is and should be agreed by all. |
K.DEVIDAS, J.T.O |
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This Career Progression will not only benefit the Executives but also benefit BSNL. Because when Employee is motivated like this he/she will work for the real benefit of the organisation. Then You see the revolution in BSNL and BSNL will come out with flying colours and become a great & No. 1 Profit Making PSU. |
SACHIN SOLANKI, JTO |
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A good Proposal..But this is BSNL(Boss Simply Not Listening)..... |
Arun S Jyothi, J.T.O |
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great purposal .... but is management understand.. it... ?????????????? |
Lalit Mohan, JTO |
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Nice proposal dear SAHOO, all other PSUs are implementing the same , and 100% in those employees are getting satisfied by putting there efforts more towards their carrier growth indirectly organization growth, for example if we take NTPC, POWER GRID, BHEL, ONGC having an enormous growth in their Industry but where as BSNL is reverse in the Telecom industry , in present competitive market not only MARKETING AND SALE need to be improved but also "HR" to be improved. Then only we can survive in the industry.... and in one sentence you told that other Associations are opposing this proposal , it is very pity for BSNL, and i feel that each and every member of the other associations might not know about this proposal , otherwise they could have bring the pressure on their leaders, why because for the lost 20 to 30 years they to didn’t get any satisfaction in the department about promotion policy , any way nice propose we are all with you for implementing this... thanks |
G. Raja Shekar, GE-JTO |
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More than 200 votes are in favour of the idea and not a single vote against it. This itself tells the verdict..... |
G.SATISH, GEJTO |
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SARAB DEO RAM, SDE Sir i welcome your advice. But sorry Sir there is no one from mgmt side to look into the matter. They are investing in crores over BCG but not a minute for this debate or what employee of this company wants. So we are loosing our market share and revenue. I don’t know "khumbhakaran ki nind kab tootegi" sayad "20 saal bad" jab BSNL MIT chuki Hogi. I again appeal to all executives to "SAVE BSNL” and honorable CMD to implement CPSU HR policy. |
Deepak Kumar Sahoo, JTO/WA-I |
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Excellent proposal. |
M Satyavardhanarao, JTO |
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Really great & excellent proposal & touches 200th comments & a historical disscution in the D.B. thanks.... |
Chinmaya Sahoo, JTO |
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200 atlast............!!!!!!!! |
K V Karanth, DE(NS)
BGTD |
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Excellent suggesstion !! need to keep the motivation of the executives high. |
gagan kumar soni,
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The proposal put forward by AIGETOA is indeed very good.It would benefit each and every executive of BSNL.Every executive must seriously think about this for his career progression,and if he feels this is good for his progression then he must question his parent association why they are not supporting AIGETOA's proposal? It does not matter if the leaders of other associations do not support this beacuse,leaders are not made by themselves.They are created by members.If each and every member question their parent association why they are not supporting AIGETOA's proposal when it is beneficial to them? If every executive comes forward then all associations will yield to its members.Associations are for members welfare only.They should realise this.If all associations demand this proposal to be implemented then our beloved CMD will have no other option but to implement it. The ball is in court of each and every executive.Come forward and make this happen so that we would benefit ourselves and ultimately our company before it goes into dire losses and says that it cant even pay our salaries. Time for some serious thought and action. |
M.Lahari,
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Yes Shri. Gopinathan, you used the right word 'Panacea'. Also I think you participate in the DB for the first time. Welcome to DB. |
HARI KUMAR M L, AD |
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Aasmaan sunder dikhayee padatha hai, magar choo nahi sakta | yeh tamanna to aur bhi sunder hai, magar sapna hi rahega || Kyomki Acha aur meetta kuch logom ke liye kaduva bhi lagta hai | However, let us be optimistic and welcome this panacea for all court cases and good health of BSNL. |
Gopinathan V M,
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why our CMD & BoD are not able to understand this simple equation!!! v. nice proposal & should be implemented right now |
Ashok Kumar Vaish, JTO |
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MR. K.K.KURREY ,Tell us that proverb. There are so many kahabat in hindi. i dont remember that one now.TRAITOR OR BSNL DROHI DONT WANT TO SUPPORT THIS PROPOSAL. |
Ram Kumar, JTO |
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koi firk nahi padega ? hindi me ek popular kahavat to malum hi hai!!!!!!!!!!!!sabko |
K.K.KURREY,
JTO(PLANNING) |
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All 'Looking After STS', Officiating STS' and 'Adhoc STS' executives are requested to participate in this discussion as they are the most affected people in the present set up. |
HARI KUMAR M L, AD |
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Excellent proposal. Suits the BSNL and will motivate Human Resource towards growth of the organization instead of refreshing books again & again....as LDCE - MT - DGM -.... |
omendra_govind, SDE |
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A problem well stated is a problem half solved. Now, BSNL Management can solve the rest if it has intention to solve................ |
Vikas Bansal, GE-JTO |
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I agree with this proposal. This proposal will be benefited to all i.e. for BSNL as well as employees also.There should be some modification in the proposal i.e. as much degree as much weighted in promotion . |
SARAB DEO RAM, SDE |
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Excellent proposal.it can be Take up as Project HR-2, as BSNL already got Excellency award by an International HR agency for Project HR-1 |
samuel, jto |
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Excellent proposal.Take up Project HR-2, as BSNL already got Excellency award by an International HR agency, (Is any body having d details of that thesis submitted to Agency by BSNL reg. HR) |
samuel, jto |
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There have been various projects started in BSNL.But for the sake of BSNL and its growth the most important has not been started yet--- Project HR.And the suggestions given should be the main aim of Project HR . Project HR can make BSNL touch new heights and the management can see the result that after successful implementation of project HR all the ongoing project will give a positive result within a short span. Hope management starts Project HR............ |
Vinit Sinha, JTO(Leased
Circuits), ATX Bhop |
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good proposal!!! |
Ramesh Saini, JTO(CMTS
Comm.&Mktg.) |
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A problem well stated is a problem half solved. Now, BSNL Management can solve the rest.......... |
pavan akhand, JTO
(Broadband), ATX, Bhopal |
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Really great & excellent proposal |
Rakesh Kataria ,
SDE(VAS) |
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BSNL management should think anout this proposal , it will be easier then conducting entry exam at all levels.Exams at every level not only frustate the employee but also sufer the work. |
arvind gupta, JTO IT |
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EXCELLENT PROPOSAL |
D.V.RAMANJANEYULU, JTO |
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EXCELLENT PROPOSAL |
D.V.RAMANJANEYULU, JTO |
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We should collect all the relevant information like 1. what happens in other psu. 2. how bsnl is laggin behind because of british rah policies. 3. analyse why and who is doing things that is detrimental to interest of bsnl. ect ect and file a PIL and demand an independetn fact finding enquiry from emimment people from corporate world, top PSUs ect and ask them to put proposals to save bsnl from clutches of Dot culture. |
Mohammad Akhtar, JTO/BB |
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dear shahuj ji, every revolution demands sacrifice and we r ready for that and also revolution is always brought by yong blood along with mass. your proposal not only benificial for all executive but also benificial for our company. ---SAVE B S N L--- |
R K Rao, JTO(plg) |
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I aggreed with ur proposal and also want to add a point it should be also recorded an executive how much time spends for bsnl just sitting in office and coming regularly to office-3marks. Sir these are the issues but another important issue is lying for 2005 batch fittment. so consider that also........... |
Biswa Ranjan Senapat,
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somebody should take a print out of this and send do CMD |
Mohammad Akhtar, JTO/BB |
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Only Practical & Live Solution...to keep BSNL alive "When you are inspired by some great purpose, some extraordinary project, all your thoughts break their bounds. Your mind transcends limitations, your consciousness expands in every direction and you find yourself in a new, great and wonderful world. Dormant forces, faculties and talents become alive, and you discover yourself to be a greater person by far than you ever dreamed yourself to be." |
pavan akhand, JTO
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I wish BSNL mgmt would have hired AIGETOA instead of BCG,the outcome would have been more positive. |
Mozahir, JTO(Project) |
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really it is good suggetion. one idea may change your life or even BSNL and BSNL may go top position in communication field, If you impliment the idea honestly given by shri r.p.sahoo without any partiality or any pressure.But can we think that todays management can take any dicision without any pressur or partiality which is,in the favour of BSNL? |
ramanand paswan, sde |
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Excellent idea but We have to develop performance Measurement system of an executive in bsnl. How to keep uniqueness in assessment of performance in all India level? – since 50 marks is for performance.A efficient employee may not achieve good performance in odd section due to market trend and non-coperation of his boss/team.in present system chatukar, chamche and corrupt are declared efficient by so called managers cum adminstrators.so if it is effective in good sprit ,it is excellent proposal if agreed by all groups of executives in bsnl.That’s a good sign and I hope others would appreciate this. WE SHOULD CHANGE GOVT. MIND SETUP, LEAVE OUR EGO AND LOW MIND AND WILLING TO CHANGE IN ANY ORGANISATION OR SOCIETY.BECAUSE WE ARE THE FUTURE OF DOT ABSORBEE EXECUTIVES. |
B D Rawat, JTO |
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Some people in over enthusiasm forget that Reservations are guided by the Constitution and no employee can question it.So upto E-4 level,provision of reservation is a must in promotion from E-1 onwards and maintaining Roster is compulsory.As per GoI instructions,there are no reservation in promotion for Group-A officers(reservation only at the time of recruitment).If this not taken care of,the proposal is bound to be struck-off by the court of law In India.I have already suggested,this proposal is a basic launching-pad and we have to build it upon by considering legal aspects also.Thanx. |
JAI PRAKASH SHUKLA,
SDE(USO),BIHAR CIRCLE OFFICE,P |
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This charter of demand for carrer progression MUST be mailed in hard/soft copy to main office bearers of all the associations from chq to district level, and request for their feedback in this regard. In addition to this we should crete mandate for this in all executives. |
Pawan Kumar Pandey, JTO |
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HOW THE PERFORMANCE MARKS WILL BE DECIDED.AGAIN HERE IS THE SCOPE OF CORRUPTION.THERE SHOULD BE SOME MINIMUM QUALIFYING MARKS FOR PERFORMANCE BUT IT SHOULD NOT BE ADDED TO DETERMINE THE PROMOTION. |
Bhadresh, JTO(Baddi) |
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Reservations in promotions should be abolished. We all are equal.As far as job is concerned the reservation is ok but in promotions it is not good for anybody, neither system nor individual. |
manoj_tomar, JTO |
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I KNOW THAT REGULAR DEBATERS IN THIS DB ARE SURELY WATCHING THIS DEBATE BUT SIR PLEASE GIVE YOUR VALUABLE COMMENTS. I THINK YOUR SUGGESTIONS WILL BE HELPFUL FOR ALL OF US.DON'T THINK TO WHICH ASSOCIATION YOU BLONG...COME FORWARD AND BE BRAVE. |
Deepak Kumar Sahoo, JTO/WA-I |
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A very nice proposal by Mr. R P Sahoo. it must be implemented |
Bhadresh, JTO(Baddi) |
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Dear Sahuji, A very good proposal.But many Thing need to highlight in details our organisation is bound by Indian law of constitution some rules we have to follow What about reservation policy? How one will measure the performance? Other wise performance measure will become relative term. Because 50 marks for performance> Our cadre is basically implementing cadre so our performance depends upon management decision also. Some section are passive some are active also to decide weightage of each section and department wise is very exhaustive task so please throw some light on that also..If one will clear performance measurement aspect and resevation policy then only one can think of that propasal Beacause one cannot cross indian PSU frame all we are abide by constitution . So pl clear that point or let us start one more exhaustive discussion on that .Unless and unitil all these things are clear one cannot think.But proposal is nice some details only need to highlight and again marking scheme need to revise see ME/METCH 25 marks BE 23 But one step below Diploma 18 marks nowhere MSC status MBA and MSC are at equal status also then one step below Bsc 18 marks why difference increased by 5 marks no justification. so idea is good.But neeed some more details and studious approach thank you |
ASHOK R. PASPULE, JTO |
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Excellent Proposal. |
Jitu Raj Doley, JTO |
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Yes this very good Proposal for Executive |
vijay kumar titarmar,
JTO |
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Very nice proposal for all executives |
Ashok Kumar swain, SDE |
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Again , i would say it is a good proposal.But due to corruption or corrupted mentality, it is very difficult to asses unbiased performance of employees.LEADERS OF OTHER ASSOCIATIONS SHOULD COME FORWARD TO AGREE ON THIS PROPOSAL. |
Ram Kumar, JTO |
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yes Manoj,I do agree with you.. If u really deserve then must promote qualification+performance. |
Ramesh Prasad, SDE |
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It is strange that many of the BSNL recruited engineers, who are regular with DB are silent. Does it mean that we have many among graduate engineers who are uncomfortable with the performance oriented system & they just want every thing should be given to them just because of their engineering qualification? |
manoj_tomar, JTO |
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Proposal is very good but it should be applicable for promotion to DE and above level with min. qualification Engg. Grad. for JTO to SDE promotion it should be fixed to 5 years for GE-JTO's. ......but all these suggestions won't be applicable if we don't stop this MT rect.wheather extenal or internal. |
Vivek Kr. Srivastava,
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Excellent proposal given by shri shahuji, But it is the management who is advertising for DGM,MT and LDCE by forcing the telecom operations should be on hold. Management should declare year 2009-10 as YEAR OF EXAMINATION for BSNL. |
chander singh, GE-JTO(Plg) |
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Excellent proposal given by shri shahuji, but alas! who is going to listen or able to see in bsnl.A father, a mother,a brother,a sister are looking for the first promotion to its son,brother or sister since 8 years but it is the management who is forcing to appear in ldce,mt by leaving the telecom operations on hold.thus we can say that " it happens only in bsnl" and "management ki bhi jay ho!" |
P N Gautam, GE-JTO |
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very good proposal. it shuold be given top priority by other associations to save BSNL and to motivate executives. |
Rajendra Kumar, JTO |
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Dear All, Its really good for all BSNL absorbed & BSNL recruited executives.It must be implemented in toto to make all happy without any descremination. |
KHAIRKAR PRADIP, SSA |
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Really great & excellent proposal, indeed it is what all the executives in the BSNL want from their heart and soul. Hence it must be implemented. |
M Sridhar Babu, SDE |
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Let every executives irrespective of COLOR benefited by such fruitful proposal of sahuji as such more or less every CPSU are following the same HR policy, In my opinion if in this proposal there is any thing which is against the progression of DOT recruited executives it will be worked out only if all executives come forward with their suggestion. I believe those executives who were SDE/ad hock SDE or DRJTO at the time of formation of BSNL i.e.2000 they will get their first promotion in 2004/2006 next in 2008/10 so they will be benefited with two functional promotion. They are getting financial up gradation so if BSNL provides financial up gradation with functional promotion no financial burden will be involved but executives will be more motivated and devoted to their work and company will get more output from them. But friends the management is management out of all.......so be united for further hurdles to be overcome. |
Deepak Kumar Sahoo, JTO/WA-I |
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Every thing in the proposal was good and will remain to be good, but I really find it difficult to understand as to why the other executive associations are not coming forward to support the move. May be the resaon is "WHO TAKES CREDIT". Yaar they still are busy saying some members in Gaziabad allegedly came back to parent association etc. etc. This all is nothing but we people giving our hands axed to Management while fighting among ourselves. Please learn something from Jet Pilots who all stood together till the last and got what they desired from Management.I fail to understand what threat other associations' leaders are fearing while they might be thinking about the right move being initiated by AIGETOA. No doubt individual member of such associations is already supporting the move but he/she can not do anything as his/her voice can not reach such avenues where it will be heard by any one.We all executives should get united together and support the right thing/move whatever the association that envisages it. We all are elder/younger brothers of a same family and we should remain so while supporting WHAT IS RIGHT FOR OUR BSNL without thinking who takes the credit. |
Pradeep Hetta, JTO(BB) |
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Already we have witnessed a record profit dip of 81%. If the motivation level of BSNL executives remains same no body can save the sinking ship of BSNL. Instead of motivating the executives to work more, our management is instigating them to study more. Let us hope almighty GOD give some sense to our Management to revamp the HR system for boosting the motivation of its employees that will ultimately initiate a turnaround in BSNL profit trend and bring its past glory back. |
Kuldeep Kumar, JTO (IT) |
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To avoid any sort of anomalies which may arise while implementing this proposal, as an one time measure, all existing executives irrespective of their experience, qualification and past performance may be re-designated as follows based on their present scale of pay as on 1/10/2009:
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HARI KUMAR M L, AD |
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GREAT JOB DONE BY SHRI RP SAHU JI IN RESPECT TO CAREER PROGRATION .IF ALL ASSOCIATION AGREE THEN IT WILL BE WIN WIN POSITION FOR ALL |
Ajit Kumar Yadav, AM |
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Excellent Proposal. |
B. Soni, D.E.(Planning) |
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A good suggestion but who is going to take any notice? |
manoj singh, jto |
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BSNL is a PSU having totally different & unjustified HR Policies (unlike the other PSUs in India), which highely demotivate the real working cadre in BSNL. For example; in each PSU direct recruited executives are allowed to be promoted without phasing any internal exam, but not in BSNL, where, executives can be promoted only after quallifying the exam . All these unjustified & wrong HR policies of BSNL are for non-ITS cadre only. Besides this, in none of the PSU, the deputation is allowed for this much long period of appx 9 years as in BSNL. |
Manish Soni, SDE |
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Good Proposal taking to account all sections of executives |
Jamgaonkar Yogendra,
SDE |
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How BSNL management will never get rid of the stiff competition in the Telecom Market with the help of BCG. All Projects like VIJAY, KUBER, SIKHAR etc will get natural death if its executives do not take part in it whole heartedly. It must settle the HR issues, and boost the motivation level of its executives. It is the need of hour to settle the HR policy first if BSNL Mgmt want to lead telecom market. |
Vikas Bansal, GE-JTO |
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Jagdish sir when we move towards this proposal we will definetly bring other structural changes also. who has asked you to provide vehicles to every DGM. infact it is ellegal and immoral practice.this has to be done away. whenever we make other structural changes it is very well feasible. but management wants to think over this we have number of examples on this. AROUND ONE YR BACK BACK BAGGA COMMISSION DID THE SAME FOR ARMY OFFICERS AND NOW THEY HAVE ENSURED PROMOTION MIMNIMUM UPTO COLONEL RANK IRRESPECTIVE OF POTS. AND IT IS PERFECTLY WORKING FINE AND OFCOURSE THEY ARE DOING WELL ON EVERY THING. AT LEAST BSNL SE TO ACHCHA. WHY CANT BSNL EMULATE AND LEARB SOMETHING FROM THEM |
Mohammad Akhtar, JTO/BB |
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Reply from strong supporters of SNEA/AIBSNLEA are still awaited...It will be also nice to see views of any senior officers from ITS group....Pls come forward share your views. |
PAWAN KISHORE, J.T.O. (CMTS) |
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This proposal may land into a situation where DGM cadre will be more in BSNL than any other cadre As, a Newly appointed JTO will become DGM in 16 to 24 yrs ( considering JTO as E1 and Sr SDE as E3), wont the situation create another problem to the management and BSNL as a whole?, with the same facilities like office accommodation, vehicle etc being provided to DGM cadre the requirement of the same will become manifold considering the increase in number of DGMs, is it affordable by BSNL? |
R.Jagadish, SDE |
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very gud proposal. it shuold be given top priority by the association to save BSNL. |
arvind kumar, JTO |
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Wonderfull proposal sahu sir! why dont the leaders of other associations who have problem with this proposal come forward and discuss with us. infact discussion with be done in open session and let their own members see and judge it. i think they are afraid and will never like to talk on this because they dont have anything to tell their fallowers |
Mohammad Akhtar, JTO/BB |
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I cant understand what is the problem if from 2000 bsnl implement Time Bound assured Functional Promotion ( or we can say it Time Bound Financial Upgradtion with desination change like AM/Menager/DM )to all executives, instead of "Time Bound Financial Upgradtion" bcoz in real scenario there is no difference in JTO/SDE/Sr.SDE after DE or DGM bsnl can put a selection ( any type) for higher promotion |
Sanjay Giri, SDE |
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Happy to see Sabu Sir replying to this thread. But why others like Shri.Sudeep Kumar and other active members from Kerala are staying away? If you have any apprehension or doubts please share so that necessary modifications can be made in the proposal if found needed. |
Ratheesh Ponnappan,
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Dr members, suggestions are too good to implement immediately but our management is bound with his earlier thought that who will work at these levels if we would get promoted.so dear frnds the only need is to strengthen our voice against this injustice irrespective of unions/associations for a NOBEL cause i.e. our respected carrier progression for all. if some union leaders are not with us then let us play their games with thier followers lives,we should collect at one plateform " bas ab bahut ho gaya" |
SDECCPA, SDE |
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Dear sahu ji Whenever we discuss this career progression issue with our seniors, majority of them say it is indeed a very good proposal and should be implemented by developing a common proposal with a little bit of brainstorming from every one involved. It is also clear from the response to your post but thing which puzzles me is that why their voice is not being recognized by their leaders. IF the question is of recognition and credit, I once again repeat my sentence in earlier post that credit can never be indivdual oriented, it should and it will go to the all concerned, those for intiating it, those for supporting it and also to management for having the will and concern for implementing it. Lets see if it becomes a reality. |
Ravi Shil Verma, AD |
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Dear Ashok sir, we had submitted roadmap for the career progression not the final. There is still lot of modification can be done. We have suggested this considering the JTO at E-2 level, As management concern was that he need professionally qualified at the managerial level at the young age so that he could have sufficient length of service to reach up to the top level management. |
R P Shahu, JTO Sidhi |
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Dear Sahu ji ,Most of us, swimming against the tides of trouble the world knows nothing about, need only a bit of praise or encouragement - and we will make the goal. I am Very happy with this proposal. |
pothuraju.perikala,
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these lines are from your web site----------After four Time Bound assured Functional Promotion to all executives, there is "Time Bound Financial Upgradtion" for those who does not have requisite professional qualification and "Functional Promotion" to those who possess requisite professional qualification based on vacancies. In this way, all the DOT absorbed executives having professional qualification can occupy immediately the existing vacancies of DET & DGM and rest can enjoy the financial benefit without taking the responsibility of the post. will you please clarify what u mean to say in these lines |
ashok kukreti, sde |
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please read as 'hear' instead of 'here' |
HARI KUMAR M L, AD |
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We would like to here some remarks from Shri. M F Ansari sir about this proposal. |
HARI KUMAR M L, AD |
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Excellent idea but how to Measure the performance of an executive. How to keep uniqueness in assessment of performance in all India level. – since 50 marks is for performance. |
V G Sabu, SDE |
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really it is very good proposal for all of us ,WIN-WIN policy for all executives of bsnl. |
vinod shakya, JTO |
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Dear All, at the out set, the proposal is not at all a bad idea, though not excellent, stupendous etc. as commented by some of learned friends. I welcome the proposal whole heartedly. There should be a beginning. Even to count a Crore, we have to start from ONE only. So, I say YES .... YES .... YES ... (COUNT FOR BILLION TIMES) ... YES ... YES ... ( Now, No End), still YES ... YES ... Here, I am humming a old classic song ... GAATA RAHE MERA DIL, YAHI (tuhi) MERI MANJIL ... AND SO ON. Thanks. |
CH. KAMESWARA RAO, JTO |
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Excellent suggestion ......I request all to come forward with their comments without any hesitation as it is not the matter of any particular association but it is the matter of career of the executives, it is the matter of survival of BSNL, it is the matter of satisfaction of hard working executives. rward with |
Sharda Prasad, JTO |
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DEAR SAHU IT IS A GOOD PROPOSAL.IT SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTED WITH OUT ANY FURTHER DELAY.BUT PROBLEM IS GOVT. MIND SETUP .THESE OLDER PEOPLE ARE LESS WILLING TO CHANGE IN ANY ORGANISATION OR SOCIETY. BECAUSE OF EGO & LOW MINDS . .THEY THINK WE GOT PROMOTION IN 12-15 YEARS. WHY NEW RECRUITEE SHOULD GET PROMOTION IN 4-6 YEARS ?. |
Ram Kumar, JTO |
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Shri. JAIMURUGAN is right. It can be implemented wef 1/10/2000 only. As already time bound financial upgradation is there wef 1/10/2000, neither BSNL is going to lose any thing big financially nor the Executives gain any thing big financially. But the big plus point is the status of the employee in the society which will be stepped up and this in turn will boost the morale of the employee. It may so happen that we have to do the same work sitting in the same seat. |
HARI KUMAR M L, AD |
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sarvjan hitay, sarvjan sukhaya |
Manish Singh, SDE |
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This is best and only one solution..every should be agree. |
Govind Awlekar,
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This is really nice proposal & benificial for all irrespective of age & qualification but experience matters |
shivakumara d p, SDE |
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Dear all, It's really omni acceptable proposal. |
Ramesh Prasad, SDE |
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Good proposal.....i fully agree with this |
Punit Kumar Gupta, JTO |
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Manoj krisna sir, if this thing really be implemented, then all we know various type of anomaly arise.But i confident that if all(management and associations) sit together then all the hurdles canbe solved,If management is really ready to implement. |
Ashok Acharya,
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w.r.t. Manoj Krishnan sir question, i feel that the above proposal can only be implemented in CPSE, so the date of effect can be taken only after 01.10.2000. It is very similar to the implementation of Time bound promotion. |
P.JAIMURUGAN, JTO IT |
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I fully agree with this move.I dont understand who are really against to this move.In this stiff competetion every operator trying to improve services.On the other hand ,we are competing in exams to get promotions. In my view,elder or younger reluctant to go for exams.ALL ASSns should come to concensus before MT exam happen. |
K SURESH KUMAR, JTO |
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How BSNL management will get rid of the stiff competition in the Telecom Market when the motivation level of its executive is ZERO. All Projects like VIJAY, KUBER, SIKHAR etc will get natural death if its executives do not take part in it whole heartedly. It is the need of hour to bulldoze the current HR system and implement good HR policy like suggested by Mr. Shahu. |
Kuldeep Kumar, JTO (IT) |
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K Manoj Krishnan sir, we all know that when we do something new a lot of problems comes but if we are determined to change then these problems will be solved one by one. |
Narottam Narayana, JTO |
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Even if agreed to this proposal, from which date it can be implemented? All executives recruited up to 1989 in Kerala will become DGM(or above). All recruited from 90 to 94 will be come DE now. Is is possible to accomodate this many numbers of DEs and DGMs- These are only my doubts. |
K Manoj Krishnan, SDE |
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Its really a nice idea as every one will be benifited by this proposal. Moreover the working culture of BSNL will improve as performance will be given more weightage.So I humbly request all our seniors to kindly be with this proposal irrespective of who has given it and if they want any addition/improvement in this proposal pls inform through this DB. |
Narottam Narayana, JTO |
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Still some of my doubts are not cleared. a. What about reservation eligible candidates? b. How a person who has become JTO with less qualification say +2(at the time of becoming JTO +2 was sufficient asper rect rules then) will resond to this? He may still go to the court saying that he is denied(delayed) peomotion even though he pocessed required qualification for becoming JTO) c. If some body takes qualifications after joining, will that can be considered? if yes we are agiain making a mistake by prompting to study rather than work. I think the proposal is good by implementation may not be easy as we think Thanks |
K Manoj Krishnan, SDE |
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All executives who really work hard for the company will welcome the proposal. I request all those who have not seen the career progression proposal submitted by AIGETOA to go through the same without a prejudiced mind and then please comment |
Vikas Bansal, GE-JTO |
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Sir I support this move in totality but this will be effective only if all the executive associations participate and go through such proposals. I also request to the regular debaters in this DB irrespective of color to give fruitful suggestions to implement such a nice proposal. Sir to run this organization for long in this competitive scenario the HR policy must be changed otherwise.........mainly who have service more than 5 yrs will be worst sufferer. Management is fooling us by giving Temporary/Ad hock posts. |
Deepak Kumar Sahoo, JTO/WA-I |
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I had several talks with executives of other associations and they all do agree this is the best proposal. In this way we will also be able to end the cold war between seniors and juniors. Asenior gets value for number of years he has served for BSNL, a new guy gets value for his qualification and they both get recognition for their hard work!!! Excelent job AIGETOA team!! But I am in real shock to see those who iniciate/participate in hate discussions are keeping mum now!! |
Siddharta Saha, GE JTO
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For the growth of our beloved BSNL all executive shuold come farward and support the suggetion given by Sahoo GS AIGETOA. For any organisation its performance depend on human resource. Workforce is the most valuable asset for an organisation.Even it is more valuable than capital or equipment. To save human resource of BSNL from most wasted BSNL management should implement this structure of promotion.It will increase satisfaction level among executives and also productivity and performance of every indivisual. The leaders of other associations are hopeless so all the executive please go ahead for this excellent suggetion. |
ANIL KOSHLE, SDE TAX
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I fully agree with Mr Keshwan and mr gupta. PArivartan sansar ka niyam hai. days are gone when DOT was in monopoly, now the scenario has changed and to face this competition, employees should be highly motivated ans should stand together to face this competition. But here no one is bothered , all are thinking of competition in exam and not thinking about the competition in open world with telecom operator. And is teh scene doesn't change we will be the best to compete in any exam but will be the worst in facing the competition given by telecom operator. |
Vinit Sinha, JTO(Leased
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Performance based Career Progression is need of Hour in BSNL.This is Necessity for survival in Competitive Market we are facing.Gone are the times of Monopoly, when motivation level of employee has ZERO impact on revenue/profitability/survival of BSNL.Demotivated employee can't bring wonders.Management have to think in lines of matching aspirations of different section of employees.By neglecting Performance BSNL is not going to survive.Nothing in BSNL is related to Performance,but to other factors like LCDE,Seniority. In such scenerio every employee will think in terms of clearing exam instead of working for Organizational Goals.So Management has to comeout with policy which will measure/reward a Performing Employee. |
Ajay Kaswan, JTO |
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I fully agree with the proposal and i think its the best way for growth of any organisation. Promotion is one of the way to provide motivation to there employee. Every organisation belives in this way of motivating there employees.And as far as I know, all organisation follows this way of motivation which in result gives fruitful output for the company. But here in BSNL ,it seems that no one is bothered about the growth or fruitfulness of BSNL , thats why no one in BSNL thinks that there employees should be equally motivated so that they can give there best to company. And what I feel from my opinion that the option given is best , because it will motivate each and every employee of BSNL and they will be performing there best. Exam cannot be the way of promotion , as u cant assume that your employees will be studying for whole of there life(syllabus Mgmt, engg etc). This has been proved to be a great joke whenever I had shared this(BSNLpromotion or recruitment policy whatever u call) with some of my friends working in other organisation. So what I think beside wasting time in conducting examination, if they had invested there time in framing the best promotion policy. It would have resulted in providing motivation rather than wastage of money which is being done on conducting exams. They would have provided there employee promotion policy as suggested by Mr Shahu which in turn would have given fruitful result for company. |
Vinit Sinha, JTO(Leased
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We fully agree and also i have taken view of 160 executives and 1100 non executives of SSA Bhopal and everybody wants that our BSNL should grow up.Nowadays the first and foremost thing is we our organisation must survive,but we are vvery much unfortunate that some leaders of SNEA and AIBSNLE wants to run their shop only and they are clearly saying MAR JAYENGE KAT JAYENGE LEKIN ITS KO DEPUTATION PE RAKHENGE AUR LDCE/DGM/MT recruitment kar ke rahenge,so it is our request that management sud think positevely in this direction. |
S.K.Gupta, JTO PCM,
Arera Exchange, Bhopa |
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EXCELLENT PROPOSAL |
mukesh kumar, JTO, Chp |
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Dear friends only way this organisation can survive and flourish is by motivating all employees towards performance and this proposed promotion policy by AIGETOA servs this purpose. Otherwise I fear if performance oriented culture is not incorporated in BSNL there will be no point in becoming SDE(by LDCE) STS (by MT exam) and DGM. Ultimately after few more years all of us irrespective of Association (except deputationists) will be sitting with a bowl in our hands and crying for a bail out package to get at least our Basic salaries. At that time nobody will dare to ask for 9.8% DA benefit etc.etc. So this proposed promotion policy with a stress on performance and equal weightage to qualification and experiece is VITAL for survival of BSNL Long Live BSNL Puneet Goel GEJTO (9417352500) |
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Dear Shahu The present policy of promotion in BSNL is what was being followed in DOT i.e. Non ITS would get one promotion throughout their career, again i.e from JTO to SDE and then to adhoc DE at most. This was the wording told by our previous GS Sh Basu to Member(HRD). Any deviation from old practice is most welcome. I believe the formula given is execllent. I also appeal other associations , either support it or come with something good. |
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The proposal of MT by the BSNL management to its executives is like giving the sugarcane to the old man who has no teethes in his mouth. |
manoj_tomar, JTO |
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Sir, I am not a member of this fraternity called AIGETOA but still what I can perceive from the proposal is that it is a very good proposal and it is for the inclusive growth (as AIGETOA calls it) of all the executives and it shall be definately beneficial to us. Though some refinement is needed but this change is welcome and everyone should come out in support of it. All associations should also support it. |
Sandeep kapoor, ASST
MGR |
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This is indeed the best promotion policy which can be offered to the employees. Suggestions for modifications, if any are most wellcome. Lets do something together to ensure our careers and grwoth of BSNL. Such type of policies always offer benefit to both the employees as well as the organisation because 'motivation to perform' is the mantra for sucess of any organisation. For employees it will reap double benefit because better performance of organisation will again provide more benefits to the employees. |
AMIT ROY, Deputy
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Dear All, A good advice should must be accepted by all even it comes from your most dreaded opponents. But its strange that in this organization the proposal is not judge by its merit but by whom it is being proposed. Where as, in the all other setups, if its a decision on a policy with the national or common interests, all the parties follow each other irrespective of their differences. But in BSNL, it seems that the leaders of others association do no agreeing on this STANDARD FORMULA only because it has been initiated by a group, whom they oppose. Its not a good sign as they are keeping their own people in dark either on one pretext or other and harming the interests of all executives in general and of BSNL in particulars by not helping to settle the vital issues of career progression. So, I request all executives irrespective of the association or group to judge the merit of the proposal initiated by AIGETOA through its leaders Mr. R.P. Shahu & Mr N.J.P.Shiloh Rao and give their FEEDBACK through this DB. So that the management can get the feeling of a common executive directly instead of being misinform through different representatives. I pray that a better sense will prevail on us to take an impartial but good decision for the entire executives brothers & sisters and above all to this beloved organization, “BSNL”. Because I believe that no WAR CAN BE WIN with demoralized fighters. So, its very essential to uplift the moral of all BSNL family members by settling their vital issues, if we are really serious to bring back the BSNL on path of PREVIOUS GLORY. At last but not least , I offer my unconditional apology to all of you if I have hurted the sentiments of any human being in my DB, because it was never my intention to do so. Jai Hind Jai BSNL....... With regards Wasi Ahmad |
Md. Wasi Ahmad, SDE |
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Excellent suggestion |
Naresh Singh, JTO |
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I request our senior people to give their views and suggestions to improve this proposal.If they found any adverse effects of the policy they can give that also. |
NAGARAJAN A, SDE |
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Excellent suggestion. The Management will not accept it because you failed to create PFI (Professional First Impression) as our BSNL customer interfaces. |
V G Sabu, SDE |
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Majority of AIBSNLEA & SNEA executives will retire within 2-3 yrs. Now they are interested only in pension/retirement policies not in promotion/ future of BSNL If the remaining want to reach a state of bliss, then go beyond your ego and the internal dialogue. Make a decision to relinquish the need to control, the need to be approved, and the need to judge. Remove your egos and (continuing in your present association)come with us for the betterment of all.. Your young brothers may still use unsubstantiated and derogatory remarks about your GODs , but dont avoid them. |
shahin, SDE |
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VERY GOOD SUGGESTION For the Betterment of ALL BSNL EXECUTIVES. I request all the Senior Officers/ Seniors please post your views/comments. Your views/Comments are most valuable at present, Nothing your are going to lose by posting your views/comments. I also request all wise persons of KERALA (like Vimal Kumar B,SDE, KTM Ji, Augustin, SDE Ji,…………) please give yours wise views/comments. Thanks to all. |
R. Venkataiah, SDE |
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As per the above Management had a heart for this proposal but didnt have a will to implement it ( hence again requesting management to comment is only asking the feelings of their heart and not will) . Well i also feel that just taking this proposal through DB will not yield much as hardy 10% of the total executives are participating in it and may be 20% may be distant viewer. Hence i suggest that if the above proposal is to be seriously tested for its acceptance among the executives i would again suggest to get the views of each executives about the proposal in writing officially or unofficial and preferably without any association tag on it so that we get genuine and an unbiased view. |
R.Jagadish, SDE |
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Well said Shri. Manoj Tomar. There is no point in opposing an excellent proposal for the only reason that it was initiated by AIGETOA. |
HARI KUMAR M L, AD |
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excellent proposal......... |
Sandeep Sachan,
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Excellent proposal. |
Chandra Sekhar Vemul,
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Dear Shahu and Manoj Tomar well said. Only when there is a criticism we can know how much practical this is. Let us hope for the best. |
MADHU.R.V, JTO |
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Some additional benefit of the proposed career progression • BSNL Executive will not feel inferior to other PSU’s executives as for as status is concern moreover this will force executives to perform for better profitability of the company in turn monitory benefit of employees will improved. • Executives will be motivated for acquiring higher qualification without compromising their performance towards the company. • Hundreds of court cases will be no more on seniority issues which will minimise the legal expenditure of BSNL. • There is no expenditure on conducting examination and losses due to business of higher authorities for conducting examination/evolution and executives remain on leave for examination will be avoided. • Confrontation among executives and BSNL management will be end. • Many more I request honourable CMD, Director (HR), and all CGMs, GMs, other ITS officers and association representative to come forward with their comments without any hesitation as it is not the matter of any particular association but it is the matter of career of the executives, it is the matter of survival of BSNL, it is the matter of satisfaction of hard working executives. |
R P Shahu, JTO Sidhi |
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A true fan of cricket will always praise the good batting of batsman, even if the batsman is of enemy country. Here I would like to request Shri N A Abraham and Mr Augustin, Mr Sudeep Kumar, Mr Vimal Kumar to come forward and say something about the proposal. Even if they have any apprehensions regarding the proposal they should come forward and open them for all. Who knows that I am immature at this age of my life to understand the true implications of proposal from the view of an old man. That’s why I request all the members of SNEA to came forward and discuss the negatives of proposal, if any. I respect the people like Shri Hari Kumar M L Ji, that in spite of the so many discussions where he & me are on the differing sides, still he is a man who has the wisdom to see every day as a new dawn. Similarly, Shri Manoj Krishnan Sir came forward to share his views, which are really appreciable. Even I expect the same from the ITS officers silently watching the discussion here. I expect them to tell me the pros and cons if any of such a performance based system. Otherwise my doubt will turn into reality that it is not the Group-D, Group-C and Group-B employees who are afraid about the system based on the performance, in fact it is the Group-A employees/citizens of this company/country who resist this type of system. We the group-B/C/D employees can give the excuses regarding performance for one reason or other, like lack of powers, lack of resources but the Group-A officers cannot give any such excuses as they have powers and sufficient resources with them. A government servant carries more responsibility on his shoulder than any other to make this country named BHARAT to grow up in all spheres. And telecommunications is the sphere entrusted to the Indian Telecom Service Officers. Have the confidence on your self that we will defeat all these tata and bata. Let us pledge that we will not let this bright star of yester years to be demolished by the opposite winds. We will and we can make this organization whose name start with BHARAT to be a true RATAN of this country. What can one understand from this silence of OTHERS? Doesn’t it means that they have nothing to say against it. Each time you resist your ego, instead of suspending a curtain, you tear down a curtain. Don’t let your children to suffer the pain you’ve experienced in your life. Lets make our Life grow brighter. |
manoj_tomar, JTO |
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MSc qualification can be grouped with BE/BTech for marking system. i request all DB visitor to please vote and comment this proposal in way as you want which will help management to know the actual concern of the executives. |
R P Shahu, JTO Sidhi |
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MSc qualification can be grouped with BE/BTech for marking system. i request all DB visitor to please vote and comment this proposal in way as you want which will help management to know the actual concern of the executives. |
R P Shahu, JTO Sidhi |
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All executives who really work hard for the company will welcome the proposal. I request all those who have not seen the career progression proposal submitted by AIGETOA to go through the same without a prejudiced mind and then please comment.. please Click Here to view the presentation. |
Ratheesh Ponnappan,
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JAI PRAKASH SHUKLA sir, It is really pleasure to hear from you like that. Thank you very much. |
MADHU.R.V, JTO |
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Regarding Reserved candidates a relaxation in eligibility criteria can be thought of. But in my opinion that is not required as there is a TBP in any case. So its always upto the people to get motivated and work and get promotion faster. However in both cases it requires legal scrutiny and a decision as what is best for the company. |
MADHU.R.V, JTO |
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Further an option for people to remain at the same post with pay upgradation, even if they are found eligible for promotion may also be thought of. This may suite people with some health issues, some ladies having family issues in taking up greater responsibility etc. However this can be granted only if there are other eligible people for promotion. |
MADHU.R.V, JTO |
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I wish that GM(SR) read this thread and give his observations and comments.. |
Mohammad Akhtar, JTO/BB |
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I wish that GM(SR) read this thread and give his observations and comments.. |
Mohammad Akhtar, JTO/BB |
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Yes we need it. This is not a testing theory(like MTRR and DGM RR)on object like BSNL Executive. This is well set rule used by the all other PSU successfully. |
Nitesh kumar, JTO |
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My vote : YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. YES.. |
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Never - -never ---never - - BSNL Management have only lolly Pop for all executives of all association , As they never want to equalize? |
K.K.KURREY,
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EXCELLENT IDEA , WHICH CAN IMPROVE THE PERFORMANCE OF COMPANY AND JOB SATISFACTION |
Sunil Sudhan, SDE |
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Regarding Manoj Krishnan sir’s questions, my opinions against a few are as follows.
Qualification is to be considered for all promotions in 4 or 5 or 6 years? Is it possible to consider mark for qualification in each promotion? Qualification is to be considered for all promotions. Only with people with cut-off getting promotions initially and finally as TBP without merit for qualification. Qualification should be considered for each promotion. So that people with higher qualification having a better chance for getting promotion. That way people will be motivated.
Another doubt is irresopective of vaccancies up to DGM? I think it has two sides (i) Do we have that many posts? (ii) Why can’t we give when we are giving TBP? It requires much greater analysis of HR data. And we have to see at what stage crowding is going to come? Also we have to see as what is the maximum post we can allow at a cadre. Say there are too many eligible candidates for DGM posts and we can’t allow that many posts. A practical way may be putting a qualification bar, say degree or diploma for the time being which can be slowly raised to B.Tech or MBA or as per a roadmap. That way we can motivate the people down the line to achieve it now itself.
Another option for people who don’t have the desired qualification, still aspire to DGM a pass in a training similar to TBP training at BSNL training centre may be stipulated. But it should be pre-requisite for promotion rather than post-promotion. We can save a lot on resources that way on TBP training because all people need not be trained. For people having required a qualification a refresher training once in 1/2/3 year may be made compulsory.
For people who don’t have the required qualification and prefer not to acquire a pass in the above said training, may be retained at the same post with pay up gradation. Refresher training can be given for them also.
Rest of the question needs further elaborations. |
MADHU.R.V, JTO |
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Dear Manoj Tomar, you said it in so many ways!!! Congrats!!! |
MADHU.R.V, JTO |
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We have given our best to convince the management from the month of December 2008 with this proposal. First we have submitted this proposal to Mr Batra Committee on MT then we have pursued with DIR(HR),GM(Restructuring)and BCG Finally to Our Honorable CMD. Our CMD mentioned after giving patience hearing for more than 3 hour asked us to have consensus among the other associations. We have started the negotiations but all went vain only the ego and the sense of credit prevented the other associations to proceed. Even worse after the negotiations they rampaged for Group A RR with the CMD and got it sanctioned from the BSNL management. As a result now DGM, MT, LDCE followed by court cases we all know there is no court case ends less than 20 years. If this proposal gets implemented many anomalies will be resolved since there is emphasis for the performance 50% the person works for the BSNL will be rewarded rather the person who takes leaves for the preparation of the exams. According to the proposal all the executives will be clustered from the JTO to DE, JAG, SAG,HAG like other PSU’s( All the cadres works rather supervise). We all get confirmed status and recognition secondly everyone will be motivated to work. Till date we have tried with all our best with management but now onwards everyone needs to convey the message to the management through this posting that we are for this proposal irrespective of the associations we are for the betterment of BSNL. The only objections for the management that if everyone becomes JTO to SDE then to DE who will work this is typical sarkari attitude in the era of completions everyone needs to work rather supervise on one cadre. Pls vote with Yes/NO then give your suggestions. |
SHILOHU RAO, GEJTO
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Thanks, Jaiprakash sir. Similar type of support and recognition is needed from each and every executive of BSNL. |
Ravi Shil Verma, AD |
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For buiding up of any Policy,the base launch-pad is required.This carrer progression plan can be a basic launch pad to further build-up the career prospect.A consensus may be arrived at, between the mgt. and all the executives concerned , how to implement further.All improvements over & above this basic idea should be openly welcomed and included while formulating career plan. Court cases cannot be stopped in any democratic setup. That's why it is very important whatever is agreed upon must test the legal aspects also.Good efforts.Thanx. |
JAI PRAKASH SHUKLA,
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The proposal is available on the website aigetoachq.org under the AIGETOA CAREER PATH link. http://aigetoachq.org/downloads/Career_Proposal_AIGETOA.htm please have a relook and give your feedback |
Ravi Shil Verma, AD |
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We tried to build consensus, but to no avail. When the mindset is negative, nothing positive comes out. SO first thing which is needed is the erosion of negativity from all minds so that every one can give input from a positive frame of mind. Please those misunderstanding this proposal as AIGETOA's game plan to take direct recruits above others, take a relook, it is a formula which will give benefit to our seniors first. If still some doubt exists then do a comparative study with what u r getting in current situation and what you will get from the proposed plan. and for people who R parehan with the so called B.E. Kharij, thande pani se snan kar ke gahan chintan karne se negative mano brittian dur hoti hain. Friends, lets shade our individual differences apart and come together for the cause of all the employees, lets come together for the cause of mother BSNL who is nourishing us and our families by providing bread and butter to us. Lets do an impartial analysis. |
Ravi Shil Verma, AD |
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A BALANCED FORMULA, BENIFICIAL TO ALL. IF FOUND NECESSARY SHALL BE IMPROVED AFTER DISCUSSING WITH ALL CONCERNED. BUT SHOULD BE IMPLIMENTED AT THE EARLIEST. |
HARI KUMAR M L, AD |
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exellent proposal but will never be accepted by leaders of other associations. i am sure majority of members of other associations will also support it if they are explained about this but still leaders will not..WHY??? 1. in cluster reporting every one from JTO to Sr.SDE will be assigned independent duties and they will have to do their job themselves.Hence some of our managers(SDE sahebs will have to do something that they have'nt done from yrs.they just cant pass on job to JTOs. big head ach for majority of sahebs. 2.Leaders of other associations tried for it for yrs and now if implemented all credit will go to AIGETOA and baki neta ji logo ki netagiri and saath me na jane kya kya chala jayega.. MY COMMENTS ARE NOT FOR WHOLE GROUP OF ANY ASSOCAITION OR CADRE BUT FOR ONLY THOSE WHO FIT IN THE CRITERIA I HAVE GIVEN. I KNOW EXCEPTIONS ARE THERE. SO PLEASE DONT TAKE IT PERSONALLY.THAKS |
Mohammad Akhtar, JTO/BB |
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SHOULD BE IMPLIMENTED RIGHT NOW....YES RIGHT NOW |
Akhilesh, JTO |
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Excellent proposal,but this should be discussed with other assoications so that an acceptable solution can be arrived at. |
R.jagan mohan, JAO |
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Yes, this proposal of AIGETOA is very excellent. And this can be possible and it should be. I don’t understand, what is the harm for implementing this? And why other associations are not supporting? They are the seniors, and can grab the promotions up to E5 (Functionally) and DGM level irrespective to the vacancies. And also to compete with the market the only corporate office at New Delhi is not sufficient, every non-executive and executive must be a part of it. This can only be possible if the proposed HR policy of AIGETOA is taken into consideration. However the management and other associations/union may do any modification for improving the proposed HR policy for making BSNL as a complete CPSE in the true sense. And if we think in a positive way all the anomalies in BSNL may be swept out by simply following the CPSE path. |
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In context of BSNL it is the need of the hour. Broadly speaking it is excellent suggestion. So all concerned should welcome with open arm without any prejudice. |
Soren, JTO mobile o/o
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Ye B.E. ki Nahi G.E. (Graduate engineer ) ki Khaj Hai GURU. B.S.C or 12th or 10th ki medicine se nahi mit sakti hai. Take care JAI HO.................AIGETOA |
A K Goyal, JTO |
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B.E. KE DEGREE KI KHAJ RAH RAH KAR UTHTI HAI.WHY NOT TAKE SOME GOOD MEDICINE. |
Sandeep Jain, SDE(TAX),
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On the proposal of AIGETOA the reply of management is not as simple as it appears. To find out the reason we have to look into the pros and cons of the AIGETOA proposal. First of all, first time in its history the AIGETOA has demanded something which is not exclusive for members. In fact this time the proposal of career progression includes each and every executive working in BSNL, either absorbed or BSNL recruited. There is no separate cadre demand or anything demanded exclusively for engineers only. That’s a good sign and I hope others would appreciate this. The proposal speaks about time bound career progression of executives up to a certain level and there after depending upon the vacancies. When you look at the present fate of absorbed Group-B executives who are at the verge of their retirement and are waiting for their regular promotion to STS like anything why would they refuse such type of proposal? As far as the stand of their associations is concerned they (the associations) are fighting the issue from years. Recently they have claimed to break the bottle neck with the regularization of 280 regular STS. But all the matured people know that a drop of water can serve how many thirsty people. It seems that they will have to retire dry from BSNL. The same fate will be of the younger generation head. The only problem (in management & other association view) is that it speaks about the PERFORMANCE. Do you think if an HR system based on performance if introduced will only be restricted only up to the Group-B executives? No, even the Group-A executives will also come under the preview of it. Just imagine the situation where a junior GM will be promoted over his senior just because he is performing better than him. If that happened than I can assure you that BSNL will become the world leader in the telecom business beating British & China Telecom. If the performance based HR system is introduced into BSNL than the issue of ITS absorption will also be sorted out automatically. You, I or anybody will not be bothered about anything like deputation or whatever coz we know that best of best are performing at the top. Even if some GM from NTPC wants to make a lateral entry in BSNL on the basis of his previous performance than what is the harm? We should welcome the talent with open arms. And if some GM of DoT wants to join BSNL on deputation than what is the harm, as ultimately he will be giving his most excellent to BSNL. This burning desire towards performance will ultimately take the organization to the new heights. What will we do with the non-performers then? For this let me quote the words of DIR(HR)-Vodaphone, “ If somebody doesn’t perform for a year, we transfer him to some other location, if somebody doesn’t perform for the second year we again transfer him to other location & you won’t find anybody working with us who has not performed for more than three years”. So we every reason to be happy with BSNL as we are ensured three things like any other government organization and i.e. job security, fair salary and opportunity to work at home. To ensure that whatever we are getting must continue till our retirement we should understand the concept that excellent employees expect to be well-rewarded for their contributions. |
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Proposal seems to be very nice,but can it be implemented in BSNL ? |
Pradip Kumar Jha, JTO |
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Our HR Gods do not understand the critical link between human resource and business performance. The very roots or base of a sound HR system is where the HR dept. treats every employee as a customer.For HR ,the target customer is its own employees. Turning deaf and dumb to the need of the day will only make this bond acrimonious. As we are constantly losing business , likewise we are losing excellant performers. Just think do we know the ratio of employees per HR executive? |
Rekha, Asstant Manager |
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Dear Manoj/Hari, At last we are going in postive direction . Still there are some scope of modification but overall good suggestion. SNEA/AIBSNLEA should come forward to support AIGETOA Aulakh |
Gaurav Singh Aulakh,
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Excellent suggestion. |
Miss Sarita Srivasta,
JTO |
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It is a very good suggestion and the level of performance of each executive will improve. |
Rajesh Kumar, SDE |
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excellent... we all r with u.. |
Pradeep Sharma, JTO |
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This is the only way to go ahead. BSNL needs to identify the necessity of this. Excellent proposal. |
Rekha, Asstant Manager |
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excellent suggestion,go ahed,we are with you |
vslabhane, sde
commercial |
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Excellent suggestion, but this suggestion is to be consider only if a GE-JTO explain to .............................. This is fact in BSNL (Brother Sorry Not Logging in mind). |
A K Goyal, JTO |
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VERY GOOD SUGGESTION..For the Betterment of ALL BSNL EXECUTIVES. |
MURALIDHARAN R, JTO |
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Qualification is to be considered for all promotions in 4 or 5 or 6 years? Is it possible to consider mark for qualification in each promotion? |
K Manoj Krishnan, SDE |
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One more what about reservation eligilbe candidates? What about those who are wotking at prsent at DE/DGM levels? |
K Manoj Krishnan, SDE |
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Some consideration may be given to senior employees (Senior citizen quota) who are 58 and above. That is 5 marks for Age. Thus marks for performance shall be 45. This may help them to get a promotion at the end of their service. Since they retire within 2 years this may not much affect others. |
HARI KUMAR M L, AD |
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The proposal submitted by AIGETOA is the only solution for growth of the Company together with its Employees. Otherwise everthing will end up in litigations which are symbolic of employee dis-satisfaction. The proposal requires updation of outdated (NO) HR practices ,but it seems like the policy makers are reluctant to do so. If they find it difficult than the task should be handed over to a expert consultant, rather than being delayed on the pretext of non-unanimity amongst association and unions. |
Prashant Jain, GE JTO
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50 marls for performance. what is the bench mark? is any methods evolved, beacust the domain of work is differenet for each person. |
K Manoj Krishnan, SDE |
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Excellent suggestion. |
Mahesh Kothare, JTO |
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Why MSC holders in Physices, Electronics, Maths etc not found for marks? Another doubt is iresopective of vaccancies up to DGM? is it possible?Any way good proposal. Managemnet should explore the possibility of implementing this |
K Manoj Krishnan, SDE |
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Yes,its a very good suggestion. When its good for company,why management need a approval from some association, Who is the decision taking authority, whos word is final...?,Even though its good,but when opposed by some leader,why members are silent..?may be they dont want to be disobedient...! |
K.Ramesh Kumar, JTO |
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Excellent Suggestion..For the Betterment of ALL...but other assosiation is opposing it because they do not fit and might get loss..this is not in the favour of our beloved PSU. |
Sunil Goyal, JTO |
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Excellent Suggestion..For the Betterment of ALL |
Prakash Singh, JTO |
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Dear All, Management has come up with LDCE again. It seems management is not in the mood to change himself. |
Kuldeep Kumar, JTO (IT) |
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Excellent suggestion... |
P.JAIMURUGAN, JTO IT |
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All executives who supports this proposal must actively participate in this discussion and see that it gets more than 1000 hits in one or two days to draw attention of top management. |
HARI KUMAR M L, AD |
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Really a very nice proposal.....But it is very unfortunate for BSNL that neither the management people nor other union/association leader will agree such proposal |
PAWAN KISHORE, J.T.O. (CMTS) |
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read AIGETOA as AIGETOA proposal |
Ravi Shil Verma, AD |
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Proposal is very good and very transparent but it is not accepatble to others for reasons best known to them. frankly if they have something better in mind or they want some changes in AIGETOA they should come out with modifications instead of rejecting it. Performance (not in exam but in work) based system is the need of the hour. All associations should come out with their proposal and suggestions instead of playing the blame game and mud slinging. As far as credit is concerned, this should be clear in all minds that credit can never be individual oriented. Credit will always go to the whole bunch of people who will be involved icluding the BSNL management who has to take the final call. |
Ravi Shil Verma, AD |
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This in indeed best solution against all HR odds prevailing in BSNL.This will yeild solution to the vacuum that is supposed to be created if all ITS officers go back to their parent's house (DOT). A ray of hope for this stuggling company..I would appeal all members of BSNL family to come forward & convince management to clear hurdles in implementation of the same.. |
rupmala priyadarshi,
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On a second re-look, some more marks to MSC is desirable. There can be so many such improvements, but something like this is very much needed. |
MADHU.R.V, JTO |
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Its an excellent suggestion. Many non-members of AIGETOA will definitely support you. I fully agree with Shri. Raman Kant Garg (to give true CPSU colour to BSNL), Shri. manoj_tomar (The biggest advantage will be that the various court cases ...), Shri. Doshant Verma (indeed a true, unbiased and excellent career progression program ...) and Shri. Ramesh Prasad (irrespective of any associations. We should create awareness ..). Go ahead, we are with you. |
HARI KUMAR M L, AD |
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It is a very good suggestion and the level of performance of each executive will improve |
N K Joy, JAO P
Malappuram |
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It would be a win-win situation for all executives, if implemented. Irrespective of association, every executive should think about it. If BSNL has to flourish, a revamp in whole HR system is very much required. |
Kuldeep Kumar, JTO (IT) |
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very good suggestion. |
K.MURALIDHAR NAIDU, SDE |
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I feel that management is in a fix as unlike NON Executives the Executives doesnt have any recognized association based on election etc. Hence i would suggest that if Management decides to go based on the majority, it should formulate 2 or 3 options for carrier progression and get the choice of the option from each of the executives. Based on the majority preferred, the option is to be implemented. |
R.Jagadish, SDE |
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Its a very good proposal. Irrespective of union every employee of BSNL should support this proposal. Nos. of court case is going on due to different internal examinations for which crores of rupees with working manpower lost of BSNL. Working sprit of all the employees will also be incresed by this. |
Saroj Kumar Sahoo, JTO
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Dear all, It's best proposal irrespective of any associations. We should create awareness in all executives either BSNL absorbed or BSNL recruited to adopt this .It's beneficial for all. I am sure Our respected MGT will must intervene in this matter to make all win win situation. |
Ramesh Prasad, SDE |
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Why JTO = J.E.in field units while JTO = Asst Manager at Corporate Office even after restructring by BCG.Management wants to divide us that's why they are creating one more association BMTA( BSNL Management Trainee Association)which will implement their ill orders & policies otherwise what is the logic behind recruiting the persons which are having two qualifications at two levels it happens in no other PSU.Why the members of other associations are not ready to support AIGETOA which is best for all the executives irrespective of from which level they have come.Management want to divide us & almost get the suucess if other associations won't come together. |
Surendra Kumar Pipil,
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what is not acceptable in these proposals for other executive associations?.if they are sincere in their efforts to get best for their members let them come out with truth.if not there is no use in discussing this issue. |
RAGHU H B, JTO |
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this is indeed a true, unbiased and excellent career progression program. this should have been done by bsnl management on its own but see the fate of bsnl that instead managment is trying to suppress such voices... its now high time all should come on one single platform to get this implemented |
Doshant Verma, JTO |
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excellent proposal.... if other associations don't have any objection with this then they should immediately come together and pressurize management to implement it....and if they still have objection to this, then people are intelligent enough to guess who is responsible for their ill-fated career progression. |
nitin kumar, JTO |
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AIGETOA met leader of other associations regarding this issue. But they are not agree. I think for two reasons they are not agree.1. If it is impleted then the credit go to AIGETOA. 2. Members are reluctant for transfer after promotions. |
Ashok Acharya,
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Dear Shahu, your suggestion regarding the carrer progression of executives is very much appreciable.The initiative to get the managements approval for the your proposal was a step in the right direction.But before going to the management with you would have tried to convince other associations with merits of your proposal. I hope you would have done that. No matter how thin you slice there will be two faces. I don;t think its the end of the road. And if management says because of other associations views they are not approving your proposal, I think you should blame the management than the other associations. |
Pandurang B. Nayak, JTO |
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It is a good suggestion.Whether mgmt and all other unions wiil accept it!!! |
NAGARAJAN A, SDE |
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Excellent suggestion.every executive should welcome and support it.Equal weightage to experience and qualification. |
Naresh Sehgal, SDE |
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All assosiations must understand this ,If external MT going to happen so many anomalis will be arised.If all assns after MT recruitment come to consensus it will be no use.Because , management will reply that time DR MT's not agreeing for ur proposal."Break the ice" before MT exam happen. |
K SURESH KUMAR, JTO |
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Excellent suggestion to make BSNL true CPSU .All associations members should think over it positively & give the commets through discussion board for early action from BSNL mangement. |
Chinmaya Sahoo, JTO |
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The biggest advantage will be that the various court cases and the money spend thereof of department as well as individuals. |
manoj_tomar, JTO |
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It is really a good move and why other associations are not supporting, really looks like a political situation. This is the best formula which will help our cadre for better promotional channels. |
Mukesh Kumar, JTO
Dharamshala |
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A very good suggestion to give true CPSU colour to BSNL.All associations should sit together and think over it positively. |
Raman Kant Garg, GE-JTO |
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Sir Many DOT recruitees are having good qualification of the leval of B.E/B.Tech,many of them have comleted their M.Tech /MBA as well and are having 12+ years of experiance in the executive leval,are these people who are now a days working in the cadre of SDE are eligible to work at STS leval and above, provided management should utilize them in correct way,by giving look after charge, or with the strategy of weightage of qualification and experiance , so that a large vaccum created at the leval of STS could be filled up easily . |
S.A.Kahalekar,
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I support the move. But still I feel if anybody is having any issues they need to be heard and the issue discussed further. In any case I fully support the rationale. |
MADHU.R.V, JTO |
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ME/M.Tech/MBA if obtained after entering into the BSNL then only it should be given extra weight. If anybody has carried all the above qualifications with him over & above the minimum qualification required at the time of recruitment should not be given weight. Performance should be given the top priority. Target, QoS , KPI should be the criteria to monitor the performance. GPMS by BSNL management is a good move. No direct recruitment above JTO/JAO/MARKETING /SALES/EXECUITIVES. No concept of HR system where only entry level has to be promoted to the top of organization. JTO to DGM assured in time bound manner. Cluster system or GPMS. Lateral entry at GM and above levels to attract talent from other PSU’s and private sector. Appointment of Board of Directors & CMD through open process. CGM should be CEO of circle. No need to have inter- circle transfers. Performance of circles should be judged separately. |
manoj_tomar, JTO |
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All these days.... AIGETOA is fighting with the noble cause.. as mentioned by sahu..But it is strange and unfortunate...why other executives are opposing it.? All the TOP level CHQ bearers of all executive associations can sit and solve the problem...We should not give chance for mangament to play with our careers... Pls vote if the prosal made by shahu is ok or not..? If any body having any doubt/ suggession pls.. they are welcome... |
B.Laxman, JTO |
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All these days.... AIGETOA is fighting with the noble cause.. as mentioned by sahu..But it is strange and unfortunate...why other executives are opposing it.? All the TOP level CHQ bearers of all executive associations can sit and solve the problem...We should give a chance to mangament to play with our careers... Pls vote if the prosal made by shahu is ok or not..? If any body having any doubt/ suggession pls.. they are welcome... |
B.Laxman, JTO |
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Dear Shahuji, as long as there are people of govt mindset in the management, you can't expect it to happen |
K. Deva Prasad, SDE |
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Any measure to promote to the higher cadre based on performance is welcome. If qualification is also given due weightage, it is most welcome. While judging experience, marks should be distributed based on length of experience. All Entry qualifications (Whatever it may be) prescribed for JTO/ JAO – Direct (DOT & BSNL) should be given 23 marks and additional qualification above the entry qualification be given a mark of +2. If necessary, successful completion of an internal management course may also be prescribed. |
ARUN KUMAR A S, JAO
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